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Hi everyone. I am Adrienne and have been riding for about 10yrs now. I started out on a 750 Vulcan, then bought a new 750 Shadow Aero, and currently I have a Heritage soft tail 2007. I recently went to Daytona Bike week and test drove the Victory CC and was amazed on how well it handled. It seemed very nimble and responsive going around curves and the power was amazing too! So I am planning to go to a dealer around where I live and do another test ride. I was wonder for those of you who have a CC what are some of the pros and cons that you have came across. Thanks
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Welcome to the Victory Forums! I ride a XR but have ridden several XC's and can tell you pro's and con's tend to differ from individual to individual. The biggest cons for many seem to be aftermarket, and branded apparel/accessories. There isn't much sense in detailing the pros because you already have that part covered!

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Best bike I have ever owned and how can you go wrong with their current offer to return it if you don't like it!? Good luck!

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Best bike I have ever owned and how can you go wrong with their current offer to return it if you don't like it!? Good luck!
Well, let's see. He could wait for that silly promo to end and hope the next one is like previous ones: 500$ in parts, $500 in accessories and a five year powertrain warranty or something along those lines. Then he could find out where the ride truck will be in his region and get a 1000 off coupon or he could hunt for a leftover 2012 or wait til September and take his pick from the leftover 13's at thousands off.

But besides the fact that you get no tangible benefit from the ride and return, it's a great promo.

Here's a couple of thoughts from a guy who got a Cross Country Tour last October.

I like the Heritage. It's the MoCo's unvarnished homage bike. But it's still a softail. Wide glide up front. You can't help but notice the handling dif in it and practically anything else. That said, it's particularly striking on a Cross bike because both are heavyweights, but one wallows and the other does not.

The hawg pulls stumps. The Vic doesn't. Since you have some rice history that probably shouldn't be an issue but for some, myself included, the Vic seems lacking out of the gate. It's a problem with the part between the seat and the throttle. More throttle, less seat.
This isn't a 45vee but it's a monster right from the factory up top and that's where the ride is.

You can put what, maybe four times as much stuff in a Cross Country as a Heritage. The bags are bottomless.

You can customize a Heritage all day. Not so much a Cross Country. Plenty of styling options but when it's all done unless you take a plasma cutter and an injection molding machine to it, it's going to still look like a Cross Country but with with some trick details. The Heritage, as with practically everything the MoCo sells can be transformed with bolt ons. If you just drop the cowhide off the Heritage it changes the whole bike. Do that to a Cross Country and it changes it too. It changes it into an unfinished bike that needs the bags put back on RFN. So, socket wrench customizing- point to HD.

If the purpose of engine building is power Vic gets the nod up to a point. You start with two base engines and dump the same cash into each one. The one that delivers a better scorecard for the investment is Vic. Now you reach a point where it gets to splitting hairs but for a streetable machine the Vic base mill gets point. I'm not even considering the Vrod when I say that. Pop never considers the Vrod, ever.

Bang for the buck. You never have to pay MSRP for a Vic.

Haute coiture- Them walls at Vic are pretty bare. There's some clothing and trinkets but compared to the MoCo or Honda or well, anybody really Vic is light on doo dads. If you judge your riding experience by pounds of fluff then this ain't a good fit.

Potato potato- Nope, point Harley. If you need that song in your ear go to Milwaukee. Watch this board and you will read post after post from guys who keep throwing money and time at getting a "better exhaust note" (Really! I read that). It's not a Harley and if you want the Harley sound you got it on the Heritage and you will not get it on the Cross Country.

Metric/SAE- Again, having had metric bikes you probably come to this party ready to tighten up the millimeter stuff that's all over the Cross bikes. It's not a bad thing. I keep telling myself that but I'm all up in my SAE and I like my dollar bill and I know which little line is a 16th on my tape measure. It's a disappointment that standardization has befallen the American motorcycle. I still like the idea that if you want to ride an American machine be ready to pony up for the tools. The horse, alas, has gotten out of the barn on that nationalist sentiment.

Right side belt and oil filter at the back of the motor. These might be non issues to you but they speak to design consideration. Your Heritage will leave you stranded if you throw the belt. Game over. The Harley is going on the hook. It's not easy to place a new belt on the Vic but it is doable. That's a biggie to me.
When you change the oil on the Heritage it's a game of trying to outsmart gravity and an oil filter. Stupid placement and one that the MoCo is committed to and the customer is just going to have to deal with it. At least Vic did the math.

The long pull. One customization that is readily available on the Cross bikes is wind management. You have options on the Heritage as well but without knowing your riding habits I'm going to guess that you will be more comfortable over a long ride on the Cross bike than the Heritage. Not only from suspension input but buffeting is more controllable on the Cross. Not saying that out of the box it will meet your needs but there is a windshield for any size rider, and lowers, both hard and soft, that dramatically change how much energy you have to expend moving through space.

Fit and finish. Vic could have been the top dog of minimalist design. Without exterior pushrods and with a fully unitized motor/transmission design they are miles ahead of the MoCo in that department. Then they go and do silly, lazy stuff like plastic reservoirs and plastic covers over wire runs and ratty looking wiring looms all over hells half acre just cluttering up the works. It's pitiful. The MoCo does have years on Vic getting fit and finish down but Pop is saying that's an excuse not a reason. Vic has demonstrated some world class engineering and in Vic centrals Poindexter department they know full well that controlling the aesthetic is part of motorcycle design. Vic clearly has made the decision to let this part of the puzzle go. Easy point to HD.

Pros and cons aside, do it right. Ride the Heritage to the dealer (and do try to catch the ride truck. It's big savings). Ride the Vic and then ride the Heritage home. You will have your own apples to apples.

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So, looking back over the OP's post the actual name is Adrienne but the sig is Adrien7910.
Are we playing The Crying Game here?
I suspect that you are a she from rereading your intro. If so apologies for the masculine references. OTOH if you are male, to each his own.

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Plus a big #1 on Pops novel!

The only things to add is that when you ride the Heritage home after the XC demo it will not feel the same - either the Hertiage or the XC will feel odd and/or antiquated to you. Also you may find that once you get the feel for the single turn signal switch on the XC you'll wonder why HD is still using 2 switches. More switches equal more wiring and more wiring equals more potential for shorts (the electrical kind - not to be confused with the kinky electrical kind).

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I bought a 2012 CC Tour last May and have a little less than 10K on it. I previously had a 1991 FLHTC since 1993. I loved that bike and considered keeping when I got a new bike. It was custom paint with allot of chrome blacked out with powder coat. I had 136 K on it when I sold it.
When I decided to get a new bike I test rode three bikes. A Honda Gold Wing (I had two Hondas previously VT750C, VT600), Harley FLHTCU and the Victory CC Tour. The Honda test drive was riding a friends bike for two hours during a long trip. I liked the GW motors acceleration, the ride,and the controls but I found the seating position a little too upright for me. The dash was also to crowded.
The Harley was like sitting on my old bike. The controls had not changed, everything in the exact same position. The riding position, the same. The motor had more pull and better throttle response, but thats what you would expect.
I then test drove a Vic. More power and better handling than the FLHTCU. It has a lower center of gravity that helps the handling in the curves. I routinely scraped the road on the Harley, and even though the Vic has a lower COG it has yet to bottom out or leave sparks. The Vic has a 4 inch rear wheel travel vs the Hogs less than 2. The seat height is lower on the Vic which helps the vertically challenged like myself. This was the first stock bike where both my heels touched the ground. The floor boards are huge and let you change to a wide range of seating position.
The Vic is just engineered better. Maintenance was considered in the design and this results in a lower cost of ownership.
If your are into the Harley Mystique and image is important to you, spend more money on the Harley. The guys I ride with are often talking about the upgrades they are going to make to their Harleys and most of them are stock on the CC Tour.
I have to say that the attitudes of the Harley dealers and maintenance shops had an affect on my decision. Lets say that I did not have positive experiences with the dealers I had available. And Harley would not bargain period. Where as you can get the Vic dealers lower.
These are all just mt opinions based on my experience. But I will never go back to a Harley. I would however consider the new F6B by Honda, if it was available when I purchased the Vic it may have been more of a competition. But I have yet to test drive it. (Imagine a GoldWing platform bagger/tour cruiser)

Have fun and be safe on whatever you chose.

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So, looking back over the OP's post the actual name is Adrienne but the sig is Adrien7910.
Are we playing The Crying Game here?
I suspect that you are a she from rereading your intro. If so apologies for the masculine references. OTOH if you are male, to each his own.
Hi Pop, yes I am a "she" LOL! thanks for all your thoughts on the XC vs Harley. I have heard of some issues with wind buffering at higher speeds. Any of you had this problem? Thanks again.
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Wind management is an issue for some XC riders but there are fixes for all that. If you're planning on tubular highway bars you'll probably want to research lower air controls for the fairing and possibly an aftermarket windshield. If you're planning on forged highway bars you'll probably want to research JTD highway bar closeouts and possibly an aftermarket windshield. Your best bet will be to thoroughly read the Cross Country/Cross Roads section of the forum before you make a deal so you'll have an idea of what to try to get thrown in with the deal.

For now get out and demo a bike or two!

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