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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 06-09-2019, 06:26 PM Thread Starter
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Default Just switched from the Ducati Diavel to a Vegas 8 Ball - Have Questions!

Hi all!

I've had legendary suspension issues on my 2013 Ducati Diavel (seriously, Motorcycle Consumer News did an article on it) and finally gave up. I"m 5'2 and 105-pounds, so trying to get the stiff bones in the limited space of the suspension on the Duc was nearly impossible. 5 shocks, 4 custom, plus Ohlins building me a shock part-by-part and no resolve. Obviously, I loved the bike, but host long-distance motorcycle events for a living (NutupRally.com) so needed comfort. No bike fit me. Enter my new (to me) 2016 Vegas 8 Ball .

I'd like to cross over and make it into a bagger. Hoping I can get confirmation that the Kingpin rear fender is a direct bolt-on swap out without needing any additional holes drilled. Also curious how much those XC hard bags drag in the twisties...I'm accustomed to a 40-degree lean angle, so this will be new for me.

The front fairing is also a point of concern as I've seen a lot of them that end up looking like the bike's headlight is kind of looking downward. Seems like a lot of real estate between the headlight and top of the fairing, so wouldn't mind any suggestions there.

And finally, I'd *really* like to hear from anyone who has installed the Llyodz big bore kit and get an idea of the performance enhancements.

Thanks, I'm excited to be part of this community and am grateful for any feedback you can provide .
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why didnt you buy a Cross Country to start with, much much better ground clearance lean angle wise.
I ride both a Vegas and a Cross Country so know the pros and cons of both.
Id suggest you ride an XC before you get in too deep on the Vegas.
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" " VM1 Cams
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Ha, I really wish I could do the XC.

Because my inseam is 26" if measured to the ankle, 28 to the floor. Plus, I'm 105-pounds and, to be honest, I got my fill lifting the V-Rod Muscle and having to manhandle that beautiful pig for 25,000 miles. I was laid up for a few years from a motorcycle incident, so a smaller, ligher-weight bike is a requirement. I did ride a XC...pretty heavy for me, which makes it a serious consideration on the reservation roads that are tiny and covered in that very fine desert dusty dirt.

Believe me, I've looked at all of the options over the past 5 years of owning the Diavel. This is the best fitting bike that has any potential for a decent performance range I could find.
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Me, on my V-Rod Muscle to give you an idea of my actual size:
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With regard to the big bore, you have two options. You have Lloydz and you have Revolution Performance (Victory Motorcycles - Revolution Performance.)

Lots of variables depending on what additional work you want done (heads, valves, clutch, etc.) It would be best to talk directly to the makers.

Lloydz has other options that you may want to explore like super charger and turbo.

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Yes I have one bike big bore ( Vegas) with cams etc its in my sig.
and XC is standard bore.
Being used to a Diavel and V-Rod youre gonna notice a power defecit, though I can stay with a V-Rod on my Vegas and I know which bike Id want to be doing 500 mile days on!
If I was doing it all again Id stay with the stock nikasil bore and go the cams, intake , exhaust route.
Given dissasembly machining reassembly and parts cost a bolt on Supercharger would probably be the way to go, should give you a good shove down the road.
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" " 495 cams
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" " timing wheel @4 deg.
" " Primary plate
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Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
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" " VM1 Cams
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Sam, you can make the Vegas gitty-up and go there is no question there, the 106 has LOTS of power to dig out....but you are not going to get cornering performance out of a Vegas. Its a cruiser, bar-hopper and drag racer, the Vegas is seriously lacking the ground clearance and geometry for any kind of real "performance" riding. And....hell yes!! hanging a set of CC bags of the Vegas's ass end is going to make handling even worse. You're right on the fairing, I've not seen one fairing on a Victory cruiser that looks like its supposed to be there...I personally do not like any Vic cruiser to bagger conversions that I've seen, there's something not right about it(no offense, to anyone that's riding one....riding an ugly bike is your choice .. )

If your willing to deal with the handling issues of the Vegas and want to start ring more power out of the bike, your best gains are going to be from adding Lloydz Torque tubes intake, cams, a good exhaust. Of course you'll need a good and proper tuning. Maximus remote tuning is working really well and is probably the best way to tune available for Vics. Then there's the Power Commander-V which will require a trip to a good dyno-tuner for best results.

Or you could just pig-out on carbs until you're heavy enough for the awesome Diavel ....

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Yeah back to basics on a Vegas ridden hard
It can be done, Ive had 5 years of fun on mine Youll need at least a Progressive 465 rear
shock, one inch longer than stock, and go right through the forks with gold valves and RaceTech springs, .. I did all that, then fitted a Kingpin USD fork setup
Adopt a careful riding style ..Slow in Fast out. and wear those pegs down, youll need to hang off it sportsbike style, upside is you dont weigh much!
Once the handling is all set up and youre happy to dump bucketloads more money into it, then work on the performance.

On the other hand Im pretty sure a lowered XC would outmanouvre a well set up Vegas.
Or the Crossroads if yr not into fairings stereo cruise control and such.
A well set up Crossroads aint that much bigger or heavier than a Vegas, and has all the plusses of a Cross bike.

Hate to sound like a wet blanket but you could easily throw a ton of money into something that still dont satisfy.

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Lloydz 109"cube big bore
" " 495 cams
" " TorqueTubes
" " timing wheel @4 deg.
" " Primary plate
" " IAV
RPW Slash pipes
PCV
Progressive 465 rear shock
Kingpin USD Forks
18" XC front wheel
1 3/4" 'Burleigh Bars'
Stebel air horn
12.106 @110.90mph
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" " VM1 Cams
Home gutted exhaust
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Sam, you can make the Vegas gitty-up and go there is no question there, the 106 has LOTS of power to dig out....but you are not going to get cornering performance out of a Vegas. Its a cruiser, bar-hopper and drag racer, the Vegas is seriously lacking the ground clearance and geometry for any kind of real "performance" riding. And....hell yes!! hanging a set of CC bags of the Vegas's ass end is going to make handling even worse. You're right on the fairing, I've not seen one fairing on a Victory cruiser that looks like its supposed to be there...I personally do not like any Vic cruiser to bagger conversions that I've seen, there's something not right about it(no offense, to anyone that's riding one....riding an ugly bike is your choice .. )

If your willing to deal with the handling issues of the Vegas and want to start ring more power out of the bike, your best gains are going to be from adding Lloydz Torque tubes intake, cams, a good exhaust. Of course you'll need a good and proper tuning. Maximus remote tuning is working really well and is probably the best way to tune available for Vics. Then there's the Power Commander-V which will require a trip to a good dyno-tuner for best results.

Or you could just pig-out on carbs until you're heavy enough for the awesome Diavel ....
I've seen a few Highball/Kingpin conversions that mounted a rear fender with the saddlebags from the Cross bikes that were pretty good. If you just add the bags to them, the lines are off and they DEFINITELY look out of place. Other than that, I agree with PaiN on the fairings, any batwing style just looks like someone left a sheet of plastic on the bike on a hot day in the Nevada desert.

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Ugh, I've responded and it hasn't posted. I need to learn this forum better!

I tried the lowered XC, loved it, but the weight is a HUGE factor when you're 105-pounds. I've done my time on big bikes and am going for comfort now.

I've given up on the XC and Crossroads, am happy with the Vegas. Just seeing what I can do to make it more 'right' for me.

Will probably go for a windshield/windscreen and drop the idea of a fairing. Thinking of throwing some apes on and mounting handlebar speakers from UTV purpose supplier. Bag in the back might be the Easy Strong with a custom Z bracket to get them closer to the rear fender...might have my body and paint guy shape the rear fender a bit to fit better. This wouldn't affect the lean.

Not looking for a Diavel replacement, I still have that bike for when I want fast. Just looking for comfort and long-distance.

Am swinging by Bitchin' Stitching when I pick up the bike, they think they can shape the seat for me and charge $150. All I need it about 1/2 inch on either side shaved down so it doesn't hurt my inner thighs. It's perfect while riding, just stopping at lights was getting to me after only 3 miles...

Calling Llyodz in the morning...hoping not to install a supercharger, lol.
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