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My name is Tommy. I live in Oregon. 44 years old. I am just about ready to buy a Victory. This bike is a 2005 Victory Vegas 8 Ball. I would be paying 9,000 dollars for this bike. It's had lots of upgrades even though the BlueBook is only 6,700 I think it's worth it but need some advice from fellow Victory owners. The bike has 7,500 miles on it.

My concerns,

First it's only a 92 motor. How much of a difference is there between the 100 or 106 on the take off and low end?

This bike is typically a single rider bike. But the guy who is selling it has the rear seat and sissy bar for it. I love the rear 250 upgrade.

Second concern is I ride two up quite a bit would only having 5 gears be a concern for me on longer distance trips?

Is this bike really worth 9,000? Should I be looking for a newer model 2008+? I ride a Vulcan 900 right now and the 900cc motor is just not enough for longer rides with my wife. Any advise or help would be much appreciated.

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$9000 sounds like the owner is trying to recoup the loss of the mods he added. Typically, modifications don't add a lot to the resale value of a bike, and 9000 seems kinda high to me, altho the mileage is very reasonable.

I'd get an itemized breakdown of the mods and consider their cost...THEN I'd consider whether you care about the mods. That's the thing with chrome and bling and pipes...they may not mean anything to the next guy at all, and you have to take that into consideration when you try to sell a bike you've modded. If YOU don't really care about the mods, I'd keep looking for a bike at a more reasonable price that will likely be newer. A brand-new Vegas 8-Ball is only $3500 more and has 0 miles on it, and you can mod it how you like.

I also came from a Vulcan 900, but I never found it objectionable for long 2-up riding. Other than the seat, that is. It was a fine bike, but I was in lust with the Cross Roads, and events in my life made me take the plunge. I don't know what your idea of a "longer" ride is--mine is typically several days and 1200-1500 miles. But you can make almost any bike do long-distance if you're properly motivated. First off you'd need a nice custom 2-up seat from, say, Corbin or Mustang. Perhaps a windshield and bags. Depends on exactly what you want to do, really. The bike in the pic is a nice, polished up bar-hopper. Obviously the solo seat is a no-go for long rides 2-up, those shorty swepts might be a bit loud for your wife to listen to (can't say for sure there).

As for power, you'll be just fine, and the 5-speed shouldn't be any issue at all. But if it's long-range touring you're after, a Vegas is not the best starting point, really. And the bike you're looking at would be an expensive venture that you'd likely have to part down to some degree and then re-mod yourself to make it do what you want.

If it were me and a Cross bike was out of the question (be it for not liking the styling, not wanting a full touring bike, or for financial reasons), I'd start looking for a used Kingpin. They're a bit more touring-friendly.

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$9000 sounds like the owner is trying to recoup the loss of the mods he added. Typically, modifications don't add a lot to the resale value of a bike, and 9000 seems kinda high to me, altho the mileage is very reasonable.

I'd get an itemized breakdown of the mods and consider their cost...THEN I'd consider whether you care about the mods. That's the thing with chrome and bling and pipes...they may not mean anything to the next guy at all, and you have to take that into consideration when you try to sell a bike you've modded. If YOU don't really care about the mods, I'd keep looking for a bike at a more reasonable price that will likely be newer. A brand-new Vegas 8-Ball is only $3500 more and has 0 miles on it, and you can mod it how you like.

I also came from a Vulcan 900, but I never found it objectionable for long 2-up riding. Other than the seat, that is. It was a fine bike, but I was in lust with the Cross Roads, and events in my life made me take the plunge. I don't know what your idea of a "longer" ride is--mine is typically several days and 1200-1500 miles. But you can make almost any bike do long-distance if you're properly motivated. First off you'd need a nice custom 2-up seat from, say, Corbin or Mustang. Perhaps a windshield and bags. Depends on exactly what you want to do, really. The bike in the pic is a nice, polished up bar-hopper. Obviously the solo seat is a no-go for long rides 2-up, those shorty swepts might be a bit loud for your wife to listen to (can't say for sure there).

As for power, you'll be just fine, and the 5-speed shouldn't be any issue at all. But if it's long-range touring you're after, a Vegas is not the best starting point, really. And the bike you're looking at would be an expensive venture that you'd likely have to part down to some degree and then re-mod yourself to make it do what you want.

If it were me and a Cross bike was out of the question (be it for not liking the styling, not wanting a full touring bike, or for financial reasons), I'd start looking for a used Kingpin. They're a bit more touring-friendly.
Thanks you very much for the detailed reply.

I am 44 years old and still enjoy the loud obnoxious pipes. I really like the mods made to the bike and would probably do them all myself. I would need a windshield and like you said a more comfortable seating. The seller is going to put the two up seat onto the bike today and take some pics. There is also a sissy bar included. And pegs. I guess my long distance is 400 miles one way and 400 miles home. I have yet to be able to commit to anything longer with 2 young boys at home. Here is the list of mods on the bike I'm looking at:

Forged Villain Wheels 21" front, 18" rear
Elite 250/40/18 rear tire
Billet sprocket kit
Billet Rear wheel spindle
Big Sucker air intake
Custom rear swing arm and powder coat
custom rear fender and paint
De-badged
Arlen Ness mirrors
Chrome belt cover
Air Ride kit
Victory Hammer Drag Bars
Victory Tachometer kit
Victory oil temp gauge
Santa Rosa V-Twin Pipes
HID headlight
LED turn signals and brake lights
Side mount license plate with LED light

If it's easy to change seats and and sissy bar for my wife I would really enjoy my normal 100 mile rides 1 up. My wife rides with me 75% of the time the rest of the time I am solo. I ride with a 103 Dyna buddy mostly.

Here is my current bike that I am hesitant to sell for 5,000 dollars. I just put a long long list of upgrades over the last year. There is a guy really interested in buying the bike this weekend.

https://post.craigslist.org/manage/3758507349/dgzrn




Freedom Performance Sharp Curve Radius pipes. (These are the best and loudest pipes sold for the Vulcan 900) They sound sweet
Arlen Ness Big Sucker Intake(marlbed, and chrome filter)
Cobra FI2000R Fuel Processor
Memphis Fats Windshield(Quick Release hardware) Flick a switch on both sides the windshield is off the bike in 2 seconds.
Cobra Highway Bars
Cobra Sissy Bar with Cobra Luggage Rack
Saddlemans Extra Jumbo Saddlebags with Easy Brackets(Turn a key and the bags pop off)
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Kuryakyn Grips with Kuyrakyn Bullet tips
Kuryakyn Powerpoint lighter adapter(high quality chrome)
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Brand New Metlzer 880's Touring Tires front and rear(with brand new brake pads)
Brand New Yuasa Battery Chrome Radiator Skull Flame cover(High Quality) Regulator Cover same company High Quality Chrome
Horn relocation with cover. Full Synthetic oil, I only run Non-Ethanol gas in her too.

I would be going to this:



You are so right on so many area's. Especially being able to buy brand new for 3,500 more. 9,000 would be the most I have every spent on a bike. So this is a one time purchase for me. And could I ever get my money back if I changed my mind. I have the feeling I would be stuck with the bike for the forseeable future. It's a very tough decision for me.
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I want a bike very simular to the one I'm looking at with the 106 and a 6th gear. That would make me really happy.
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Luciferiad,

Were you really happy going from the Vulcan 900 to your current bike? Do you have any pictures?
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I would recommend NOT purchasing an '05 Vegas 8-Ball for $9000. There's an '06 Kingpin Tour in my area for $6200. I would consider that a good buy/price range.

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I would recommend NOT purchasing an '05 Vegas 8-Ball for $9000. There's an '06 Kingpin Tour in my area for $6200. I would consider that a good buy/price range.
I agree the price is high. However if I were to upgrade some of the things this seller has upgraded. It would cost me in the 1,000's of dollars. And I would end up buying pipes either the same or simular to the ones he has on it. And the tachometer, and the intake, and the oil pressure gauges. The 250 rear tire. All are great looking mods that I would probably upgrade myself in a time. I think he said he has receipts for 8,000 in upgrades. Most of which I really like.

I've been shopping for Victory's for the last 2 months and have come across some really good deals. None of which have these specific mods though.

2005 with only 7,500 miles. It's touchy at that price. Especially since it only has the 92 in it. In all seriousness how much do you think the bike is really worth. 6,500? with 8,000 in upgrades most of them that I might really do myself.

I really appreciate your comments, I need to hear the hard truth and what these bikes are worth with upgrades.

Is there really any big difference between the 92, 100, or 106? The 92 would keep up with the 106 until you hit 85-90mph right? Any substantial changes between the years of 2005-2013 that would make me really change my mind? I'm really worried about buying something I won't absolutely love. I usually ride less than 100 miles at a time. And when I ride more it's not more than a 350-400 miles ride. I do want something that could get me to Sturgis from Oregon and back too.

Decisions, decisions?
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I would recommend NOT purchasing an '05 Vegas 8-Ball for $9000. There's an '06 Kingpin Tour in my area for $6200. I would consider that a good buy/price range.
How many miles on that Kingpin tour. I don't want anything over 8,000 miles. Preferably 2-5,000 mile range.

This Vegas is 1 year newer and under 8,000 but its got 12k on it and it doenst look anywhere close to the bike I'm looking at:



Here is some nice pics of the actual bike I'm looking at:

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My name is Tommy. I live in Oregon. 44 years old. I am just about ready to buy a Victory. This bike is a 2005 Victory Vegas 8 Ball. I would be paying 9,000 dollars for this bike. It's had lots of upgrades even though the BlueBook is only 6,700 I think it's worth it but need some advice from fellow Victory owners. The bike has 7,500 miles on it.

My concerns,

First it's only a 92 motor. How much of a difference is there between the 100 or 106 on the take off and low end?

This bike is typically a single rider bike. But the guy who is selling it has the rear seat and sissy bar for it. I love the rear 250 upgrade.

Second concern is I ride two up quite a bit would only having 5 gears be a concern for me on longer distance trips?

Is this bike really worth 9,000? Should I be looking for a newer model 2008+? I ride a Vulcan 900 right now and the 900cc motor is just not enough for longer rides with my wife. Any advise or help would be much appreciated.

Here is the bike:



http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/mcy/3784999294.html
The bike is pretty and if the mods were my thing, I wouldn't mine paying extra for a bike already built to my liking. Especially one in such good condition.

But let's talk reality.

1. Engine - The bike is a cruiser. How much does it matter? People were taking two up trips on motorcycles long before they were punched out to 1800 cc.

2. Two Up - The five speed wouldn't bother me near as much as the lowering kit on it that will make it into a hardtail with someone on the back. Fender will probably rub the tire. And the large rear tire will ruin the handling.

That bike is butt jewelry. If that's how you'd use it, it makes sense. Trying to use it to take long trips two up is silly. Get something uglier and more comfortable if that's your plan.




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The bike is pretty and if the mods were my thing, I wouldn't mine paying extra for a bike already built to my liking. Especially one in such good condition.

But let's talk reality.

1. Engine - The bike is a cruiser. How much does it matter? People were taking two up trips on motorcycles long before they were punched out to 1800 cc.

2. Two Up - The five speed wouldn't bother me near as much as the lowering kit on it that will make it into a hardtail with someone on the back. Fender will probably rub the tire. And the large rear tire will ruin the handling.

That bike is butt jewelry. If that's how you'd use it, it makes sense. Trying to use it to take long trips two up is silly. Get something uglier and more comfortable if that's your plan.
I talked to the seller about this and he assured me there was plenty of clearance while riding two up. You just have to tap the air ride suspension switch up a tad and you have a lot of clearance. Installed by the Victory Dealership.

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Why are all the beautiful bar hopper style bikes 2005 8 balls?

Check out this one:

How about this bike:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/mcy/3786865521.html

I really like the looks of these two bikes, probably nowhere near the comfy bike like the kingpin touring models. But I don't tour either. Short rides only. But when I want to tour I would hate to be left behind.
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