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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 07-31-2014, 09:48 AM Thread Starter
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Loyal Harley rider, that is starting to look at Vitctory and Indian. So I figured time to hit the forums to start my research. Oh and reason Im considering non Harley, Just not sold yet on the new Harley and The huge price tag
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Welcome. What type of bike are you leaning towards? Victory- while not perfect- builds a high quality, very reliable bike. Most owners do not experience any serious problems.

Mine did- the voltage regulator went out on it, but Victory and the dealer stepped up and fixed it PROMPTLY- so although I was pretty pissed when it happened- they took good care of it.

Major +'s:

Performance- a stock Vic will smoke a comparable Harley, and often a Harley with some performance upgrades, too. It doesn't take a lot of money or effort to put 100-115 ponies AND torque to the rear wheel.

Reliability

Modern design & components throughout. Suspension, chassis, powertrain..

Ease of basic maintenance- 1 fluid- oil- every 5 k.

Easy access to most adjustments and major maintenance- example: belt changes are super easy by comparison.

Minuses-

Hit or miss dealer network. Not as many, and a few of them just effing suck, too. I'm sure the Harely stores are the same- but the sheer numbers hide them better. Victory doesn't seem to be super invested in dealer development at times. Victory is typically one of many brands they sell, and the dealers' focus will gravitate to their better sellers. Wait times for accessories can be a joke. Parts usually have to be ordered, but remember my story from above. They WILL move their ASSES when needed.

Noisy tranny. My gear changes have gotten noisier and less smooth with time- not better. It's a normal trait of the brand. What can you say? It's a lot better than they were prior to a redesign that occurred in 2011 I think..


Clutch cables- you'll read a lot about busted cables with no apparent signs of wear. This SEEMS to be tied to the older bikes. I beleive the issue was corrected.

I have read about HD's paintwork being superior quality. That's probably fair. The baggers have lots of choice, but starting with 2015 the cruisers have an appalling lack of color.


Summary: Victory is a RIDER's machine. Built to be ridden hard and put up wet. Fire that bitch up and go. It turns heads everywhere you go, and almost everyone will nod their approval.

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Yeppir. Judge is laying down truth.

You are starting in the middle and looking for the end. Ride one. Go to dealers and ride. Many will let you walk in with licence and go.

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I ride a Electra Glide, most of the time its full dress but I have it so I can strip it for solo also. I would be looking for a Cross Country if Vic. Plan to ride one soon. I rode one a couple of years ago, and tranny and the finish put me off. But wife and I do a lot of 2 up and if I decide to get a new bike will give Vic a serious look. I now have a local dealer that I would trust that has both the Victory and Indian. Indian would be a tougher sell to me I wish the new dresser was less nostalgic looking I hear good things about the motor and trans but not really into the big old fender look.
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I'm with you on that one- Indian seems to be a fine machine, Polaris seems to have quieted the tranny, but I've never cared for those 80% coverage fenders. I know that's been their thing for decades, but..

And-I like a good retro / modern style. The Mustang is one of the best examples of how to show the best of old and new. This is one of my main attractions to my Judge. A thoroughly modern sledgehammer of a performer with a styling salute to a classic sledgehammer of a performer. I just always saw the Indian's as ever so slightly off the bullseye styling wise.

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I ride a Electra Glide, most of the time its full dress but I have it so I can strip it for solo also. I would be looking for a Cross Country if Vic. Plan to ride one soon. I rode one a couple of years ago, and tranny and the finish put me off. But wife and I do a lot of 2 up and if I decide to get a new bike will give Vic a serious look. I now have a local dealer that I would trust that has both the Victory and Indian. Indian would be a tougher sell to me I wish the new dresser was less nostalgic looking I hear good things about the motor and trans but not really into the big old fender look.
If you test a Vic, don't ride it like a HD. What I mean is, dont shift at low speeds and don't lug the engine. I shift at @2800 rpm and don't have the clunky sounds that so many complain about. I talked to an old Harley mechanic and he told me that just because the engine WILL pull strong at low rpm it doesn't make it good for the engine.

As far as the finish goes, I'm not sure what you mean. My XC is 2 years old and sits under an awning at home and in the open everywhere else. The paint finish is great on mine. If you're referring to cable management I agree. If I ever change the bars on mine, the wires WILL be internal.

Good luck on your search. Buy what you want that will make you and your wife happy.

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Ride em, should get a great deal on last years model,
Or just get the feel of what you like and buy private.
Either way ride em.

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You can arrange to test ride a Victory of your choice right on the Victory web site. If I remember right I was able to select a dealer, day and time. You'll get a confirmation email and appointment.

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Tried to work with my local HD dealer(precision in RI) and got no where with a trade for my 04 custom so I traded up to XC best move yes trans are noisy but work good have all the power and more comfortable good luck and ride it hard👹
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I ride a Electra Glide, most of the time its full dress but I have it so I can strip it for solo also. I would be looking for a Cross Country if Vic. Plan to ride one soon. I rode one a couple of years ago, and tranny and the finish put me off. But wife and I do a lot of 2 up and if I decide to get a new bike will give Vic a serious look. I now have a local dealer that I would trust that has both the Victory and Indian. Indian would be a tougher sell to me I wish the new dresser was less nostalgic looking I hear good things about the motor and trans but not really into the big old fender look.
One Nice thing about Cross Country, with the Lock and Ride Feature the Trunk is very easily removable if don't want to run it all the time .. You Have better Power, Handling and Reliability with a Victory .. While not fond of The clunky Tranny have got used to it and seems Pretty Bulletproof after 35,000 Miles and not one complaint about the Cross Country other than the Useless Windshield that comes with it .. If go the Tour Model be better off as easier to take things off than add and a hell out a lot cheaper in the long run as well ..

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