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That was good viewing.....now I want to see Indian vs Vic. I've made up my mind (2015 Vintage), but still would like to see what the reviewers say.

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The heritage has a soft spot in my heart as the quintessential classic. It was my first bike. A 1990 Evo era I picked up in 2001. Loved the bike but she leaked and had substandard power. That said though, compared to even my high-ball the FL softails feel small. They just don't fit me like the Vic and I imagine the Indian also is simply a larger bike.

Also I'm indoctrinated now. I find the right hand drive of the Polaris drivetrain superior. I know what it's like to deal with Harley primary woes and less we forget the three independent fluid reservoirs, chain primary, crazy old sprocket behind the primary etc etc.

I vote Indian. Better suspension. Better drivetrain. Better value. Higher end styling, bags, engineering, finish and power.


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Basically, the Indian kicked the HD's ass. Yeah, they dance around it and give the more compact HD the nod for better parking lot manners (duh, right?), but if you read between the lines, it becomes obvious they are reaching for nice things to say about the HD while being VERY careful not to piss off the MoCo.

I love reading the comments "Seems the HD is better for a beginning rider and the Indian better for a more experienced rider". Hey, peckerhead, what beginning rider goes out and buys a $20,000 motorcycle? Neither of these motorcycles is targeting the beginning rider as their market. These are not "starter bikes".

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Yeah it does appear their reviews are pretty dang fluffy as if they're on H-D's payroll. Haven't been impressed by that guy's reviews much at all on any bikes. "Yeah Dude, it's a cool bike.. I dig it.."

Makes me want to become a bike reviewer..

How's a guy bust into that gig? Riding different bikes then pontificating about them for a living. Sign my ass up! I could become the Anthony Bourdain of bike reviewers compared to these guys. LOL!!

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Yeah it does appear their reviews are pretty dang fluffy as if they're on H-D's payroll. Haven't been impressed by that guy's reviews much at all on any bikes. "Yeah Dude, it's a cool bike.. I dig it.."
Cut the guy some slack. His name is Brian HARLEY afterall.




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Yeah it does appear their reviews are pretty dang fluffy
Fluffy... yes, I like that word.

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Makes me want to become a bike reviewer... How's a guy bust into that gig?
I tried. Yes, cool job, but the pay is terrible. Now if you had another income...

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Both are awesome. Of course, I'd take the Indian.

Which Vic would be of the same class? Boardwalk? Thinking whitewalls w/spoke wheels.

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I was actually surprised at how little power the Indian made in the comparison. I know that it makes more power than the Harley but bragging about making more power than Harley is like bragging about being the smartest kid in the special education class.

For comparison, compare the Indian 111 to the Yamaha 113. Both are big, long stroke, push rod V-twins with similar displacements. Using the dyno results from motorcycleusa.com you get the following:

Indian 111
73 HP @ 4500 rpm, 101 ft-lbs @ 2700 rpm

Yamaha 113
87 HP @ 4400 rpm, 111 ft-lbs @ 2300 rpm

I don't know. I guess I was expecting to see something closer to 80+ HP and 110 Ft-lbs of torque out of a modern 111 cubic inch twin.

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I was actually surprised at how little power the Indian made in the comparison. I know that it makes more power than the Harley but bragging about making more power than Harley is like bragging about being the smartest kid in the special education class.
Exactly. Not much to brag about.

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Indian 111
73 HP @ 4500 rpm, 101 ft-lbs @ 2700 rpm
Yamaha 113
87 HP @ 4400 rpm, 111 ft-lbs @ 2300 rpm

I don't know. I guess I was expecting to see something closer to 80+ HP and 110 Ft-lbs of torque out of a modern 111 cubic inch twin.
Yeah... the Indian is a 2 valve motor. The valve arrangement looks like a freakin' Briggs & Stratton. The Yamaha, on the other hand, is 4 valve so it naturally breathes better.

There's one other factor that is undeniable... it matters... The Yamaha is Japanese, the Indian and HD are American Icons. In this country, even if the Yamaha made sandwiches and did dishes it would still be a 'lesser' motorcycle in the eyes of the American consumer. Hell, American consumers STILL look at Victory as a "metric" and classify them right in there with a Japanese bike. "It'll never be a Harley", right? Indian will out-sell Victory in their second year. Why? Simple, it's a household American name. Period.

The Indian engine is built to make strong grunt on the bottom end and that's all. Cruiser riders all want that, right? Polaris is banking on it. Almost everyone who test rides the Indian talks about how powerful it feels, so it's working for them.

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