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94.54 rwhp and 110.75 rwtq

Mods are the Llloyds torque tubes, Slash exhaust, Lloydz timing wheel +4, PC5 with Autoune.

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Nice I'm looking forward to my cams and Dyno tune!

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Same here. VM1-DR Cams, Lloydz filter, timing wheel, PCV and tune coming... Not soon enough.


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94.75 rwhp and 110.4 rwtq

Mods are the Llloyds torque tubes, Slash exhaust, Lloydz timing wheel +4, PC5 with Autoune.

Cams are next!
Lets see a chart so we can see air/fuel and where the peaks came on.

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I've heard the timing wheel isn't very beneficial. What have u guys found with it? Being a long time drag racer of cars and engine builder I have found there is no v8 that doesn't benefit by advancing the cam. What about these v twins?

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I've heard the timing wheel isn't very beneficial. What have u guys found with it? Being a long time drag racer of cars and engine builder I have found there is no v8 that doesn't benefit by advancing the cam. What about these v twins?
I'm from the same world as you-never advanced a cam-only retarded them-especially on blower apps.

I literally gained nothing-at least nothing worth noting. I couldn't grab the drg files to post but I'll get a printout.

Only thing I noticed was less popping through the exhaust on coastdown and between shifts.

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I have found there is no v8 that doesn't benefit by advancing the cam
Advancing the cam makes it build more low-end torque, while retarding the cam makes it build more high-end horsepower. Performance cams are designed to run 'straight up'. If there were an advantage to advance/retard it would have been incorporated into the grind from the outset. Usually, people advance or retard a cam to make an unsuitable cam more suitable for the application.

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I'm from the same world as you-never advanced a cam-only retarded them-especially on blower apps.

I literally gained nothing-at least nothing worth noting. I couldn't grab the drg files to post but I'll get a printout.

Only thing I noticed was less popping through the exhaust on coastdown and between shifts.
I've built n/a and nitrous motors. Haven't built boosted engines.... yet. Lol. But to my understand with a cam specifically for ur boosted application on a v8 u would still benefit by advancing it a couple of degrees. Moves the curve and better peak power. The only time I tried retarding a cam was on a n/a 500 inch chrysler wedge and it ran like crap!

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Advancing the cam makes it build more low-end torque, while retarding the cam makes it build more high-end horsepower. Performance cams are designed to run 'straight up'. If there were an advantage to advance/retard it would have been incorporated into the grind from the outset. Usually, people advance or retard a cam to make an unsuitable cam more suitable for the application.
I agree... somewhat. There hasn't been a motor i've built that didn't have a cam custom ground to my application. And anytime I have advanced the cam i've either seen gains on a dyno or better et's at the track. Granted... theres only so far u can go + or - before u can get in trouble or it starts to run like crap. I'm just expressing what i've found with v8's in a drag race application. Still learning about vtwins

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Advancing the cam makes it build more low-end torque, while retarding the cam makes it build more high-end horsepower. Performance cams are designed to run 'straight up'. If there were an advantage to advance/retard it would have been incorporated into the grind from the outset. Usually, people advance or retard a cam to make an unsuitable cam more suitable for the application.
From a side-by-side comparison, the Lloydz cams definitely have a (not sure the term that's used) wider profile, so they'd open sooner AND close later (granted I dunno if that was the intake or exhaust lobe I was looking at).. Even for a mild cam upgrade it was noticeable from a low-rez pic.

I'll be interested to see what Kyle has in store with his recommended mod he quoted me (VM1-DR cams, timing wheel, Lloydz filter). Very curious how we'll end up with the timing. I imagine he's got the combination memorized from experience.

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