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I've narrowed my choices down to the Judge and the Vegas (but the Hard Ball is still tugging at me). I realize one of the Baggers would be a more practical choice for the type of riding I want to do with the Vic. But I like the idea of having a lighter cruiser to ride when not on the one trip per year that I have been taking.

So, with that said. How comfortable is the Judge for a week straight of 500 mile days? Would the lock and ride windshield and saddle bags work well for this? Or should I be looking at after market brands? How's the seat? Can the factory cruise control be installed on the Judge? I've heard the exhaust cooks the riders leg some.?? Looking forward to hearing of your experiences...
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My choice for a daily driver was the Kingpin, let me explain...

The bike is set-up to accept large saddlebags (which you need for traveling). It is comfortable enough to do 500 mile days on. It has the inverted front end and 18" wheels which allow good tires, so the bike is far more capable than a cruiser/bagger has a right to be in the twisty stuff. Floorboards were replaced with footpegs off a Vegas, which bolt right on. Wind protection was resolved by the MRA Vario.

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Very nice job on the Kingpin!
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Of course, some of us are horizontally challenged to where a barge is an appropriate solution.
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Very nice job on the Kingpin!
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You can have it all.... You don't have to ride a barge to be comfortable and have utility.
I find the Kingpin to be a very nice bike too, but I feel we need some clarity or terms here. A Cross Roads with hard saddlebags weighs 58 lbs more than a naked Kingpin. A Cross Roads doesn't just come with appropriate sized wheels, it comes with an excellent set of tubeless radials. There is no reason to loose the comfort of the floorboards on a Cross Roads because it has considerably more cornering clearance than a Kingpin. Any handling setback due to weight is more than compensated for by the Cross Road's rigid aluminum frame.

Give those considerations, perhaps calling a bike from the touring line a "barge" is a wee bit hyperbolic...




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I really like the baggers as well...
The Hard Ball has really been in my sights for a while. I reailze that the Cross Roads and the Hard Ball would perform better on the "trips". However, I wanted to hear from the Judge riders how capable it is...
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I really like the baggers as well...
The Hard Ball has really been in my sights for a while. I reailze that the Cross Roads and the Hard Ball would perform better on the "trips". However, I wanted to hear from the Judge riders how capable it is...
I would say it's dependent on how hard you are. The Judge has much less suspension travel, as a result, the spring was wound much tighter and your spine will be compensated accordingly. It also has a low end damper rod fork that will test your mettle on that end too. The seat padding is scooped out and with the little padding left, puts you into a clam shell position. If you're into yoga or self-immolation, this kind of body position may work for you on long rides. I don't think touring was what the designers at Vic had in mind when they released the Judge. But I've known guys perfectly happy to tour on full on, monkey humpin race replicas, and I did it for a long time on bikes just ever so slightly more comfortable, so I'd say it all depends on the rider. Personally, at this point in my life, I'll be sticking with touring bikes to do distance riding.




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I wanted to hear from the Judge riders how capable it is...
Very few people would purchase a Judge and try to make a touring rig out of it... and for good reason.

You can go touring on a Sportster w/a milk crate bungied on the back seat. While the bike is capable of doing it, that doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.

For what I do on a motorcycle (couple of trips a year and a lot of 500 mile day-rides) I don't NEED a touring bike. And when riding around locally day-to-day I don't want the inconvenience of big ol' touring machine's size and weight. When having fun on the bike (meaning straightening out twisty roads) I prefer something a bit sportier.

The Judge, Vegas, Kingpin, Boardwalk, High Ball... all the same chassis... all equally capable to tour on... some with different seating positions and other features that make the conversion to touring easier/more sensible, but the bars and foot controls all interchange.

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I find the Kingpin to be a very nice bike too, but I feel we need some clarity or terms here. A Cross Roads with hard saddlebags weighs 58 lbs more than a naked Kingpin. A Cross Roads doesn't just come with appropriate sized wheels, it comes with an excellent set of tubeless radials. There is no reason to loose the comfort of the floorboards on a Cross Roads because it has considerably more cornering clearance than a Kingpin.
Well... The Cross Roads 8-Ball is only 38 lbs more dry weight than the Kingpin. Both are listed as 5.8" of ground clearance. Both wheels on the KP are 18" where the rear on the XR is 16". Both chassis are equally rigid as neither will experience flex.

However... with the Kingpin (or other steel framed bikes) there will be many more options for exhaust and airbox designs. You can ride it sans luggage and with a solo saddle, unlike the XR. It can be more than one bike based on how you dress it and can go from naked solo cruiser to tour-packed bagger-tourer as you desire. The XR will be more roomy/comfortable most likely, depending on what saddle you're using.

"considerably more cornering clearance than a Kingpin"
That I would argue. IF it did have more cornering clearance (which I doubt) it would not be considerably more. This would be a wager I would happily participate in.

There are advantages/disadvantages to both. Life is filled with compromises and we all choose the compromises we can live with.

I almost bought a Goldwing, but decided against it. Yes, that bike would be swell... but once the swelling went down... I know I won't want to live with a full-blown touring bike as my daily driver. It offered no versatility... it's always a tourer.

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