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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 02-17-2014, 07:53 AM Thread Starter
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Checking out my local dealers website last night he has a '13 Judge marked down to 10,999 and with my military discount that puts it at 9,999 but got jump on it before the end of the month. I have been looking at the Highball for a while and I also like the Gunner biggest hurdle is the missus as she wanted me to wait till the end of March 1st of April time frame. Question is did anyone look really hard at one model then choose the judge. I know they are the same bike under the tins. My rationalization with the wife is it is already set up for a passenger just need the backrest and maybe the dealer will throw that in to make a sale. Whereas the Highball (which I did get a '14 down to 11,250 ) I would have to get the whole passenger set up which is close to 700 bucks. Having said all of that to ask how do you guys like your Judge. I am a little worried though that the Judge will be dropped from the '15 model line up in favor of the Gunner. Again how do you guys like your Judge and would you make the same choice if you had to do it again?

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I have a 14 Judge- totally different riding position and all that for what that is worth. I've never regretted buying the Judge for 1 second. I entered the store having researched to death the 8 ball, and had every intention of riding off on one. I did not love the online looks of the 13 Judge much so I hadn't really thought that way. Saw it (2013) live- thought "Wow that's much better in person" But the riding position wore on me just slightly. Enough to say- Nah. 8 ball. So in I go- and the red 14 Judge just blew me away.

Like you- I saw no point in spending a pile of cash (on the 8 ball) just to set it up for a passenger. I also love black, but wished I could avoid it having been there and done that. The frustration of gloss black, and the fact that it seemed like 1/2 the bikes out there are black. That red on the 14 Judge just plowed me over- the new seat & riding position and LED's!! (yes that's dumb- sorry)

Anyway- some say deal only with a manager. They kind of have a point, but having 16 years of big ticket sales/ management I can tell you that some of that is just a macho thing. The tough guy "I don't pay retail for anything" attitude always made me smile. That said- depending on the store- that can be very good advice. If your salesperson gives you pause for any reason- get rid of him immediately and go straight to the manager.

Rebates and discounts. Completely unrelated. Rebates are above and beyond the market for the bike. Establish the best price for the bike and your stuff first. All trade ins, cash down and rebates come into play after.

As far as dropping the Judge from the lineup: First I doubt it. Second- it doesn't matter much if they did. Resale? Depreciation sucks, man. Unless you plan on buying and selling the bike within a year or 2- (which is a bad choice red flag unto itself) this should not play much into your decision.

Wife wants to delay? This SOUNDS a lot like the countless, never ending, and predictable from the next county defense mechanisms that buyers throw up there *automatically*. See: "Just looking". So my question is- what is going to be different in 6 weeks? Big bonus? Raise/ promotion coming? If there is no logical and sensible reason to delay such as these- then you have a nervous participant throwing up roadblocks because they don't know what else to do. Get to what the real issue is and move past it- whether that means buying it or not. Obviously I do not know the dynamics of the marriage.

My girlfriend did not like any of the baggers. Too much stuff, old guy bike, etc etc.. but now she whines about not having storage. Some things you just keep it at arms length and do what you think is right.

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Good points Redd she only want me to wait as she started a new job a couple of weeks ago and wants to get settled in and see if it's going to work out. I actually started looking at the baggers test rode a Indian Cheiftian loved it so did the wife. I couldn't get past the 24,000 price tag then I started looking at the cross bikes again sticker shock and I don't know if I want hard saddlebags on my bike 24/7. I like the idea of changing it up to suit my mood for whatever. The Highball, Judge,and the Gunner are all very similar looks wise change up a few pieces and bang new to you motorcycle. If I was to get the Judge it would be a long time before it would be sold if ever. My current bike is a 2000 Honda shadow ace 750 that had 20,000 miles on it when I bought it in 2003 it now has over 83,000 on it would have more but I wreaked it shortly after buying it then joined the military almost 6 years ago so between basic and ait training then a year long deployment it sat close to 2 years. This would be my first new bike ever so nervous a little I guess.

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Understandable for sure. I suspect she has a point about the new job. Wise to step back for a moment and really review that carefully and realistically.

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I have to side with the Mrs. and JR. Having been there a few times throughout my years there is not much that will stress a relationship more than money. Nobody wins and the grief certainly isn't worth the few $$$ you will save on an impulse purchase. Results over time can cause regrets on both sides.

Give it some time and think about it objectively. An idea might be to financially plan for it. When she is working, start putting money away towards the bike fund. That way if her job works out and you BOTH think it's doable you will possibly have a decent down payment which will further ease the monthly bill. You may even have cash for a used bike. If her job doesn't work you've got enough to help smooth things out until she finds another. And a beer of course.

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Since you are inviting advice, I'll jump in with these tidbits; Never bite the hand that feeds you. Most marital discord starts with money problems. I'm here to tell you that married life is sweetest when you both are on the same page when it comes to handling your (I mean both of yours) money and you are setting about 1/3 of your paychecks aside for both emergencies and retirement. Realistically, you should have at least 3 months income in reserve for "just in case" scenarios, such as you both loose your jobs. A financial adviser on you side will pay off big time in the long run. It has for Pretty Wife and me.
Another thing, (and I know I'll get chipped at for this) if I can't comfortably write the check for it, I don't buy it. If I can't afford new, then I buy used. The only thing I have mortgaged my future for is a home. But that's just me. Don't ya wish our government operated that way too?
In closing, back in prehistoric times, when I was about 30ish, I was at a car dealership looking over a sport car in their used car lot. A salesman approached trying hard to convince me I needed to buy it saying, "you owe it to yourself." I replied, what I owe to myself is to be solvent and I walked away.

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You only live once, might as well be happy, and if you can make the wife happy at the same time, more power to you. If it were me (and my better half would ride) I would have gotten a touring bike.

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You only live once.
Do you realize that is the longest thing you will ever do? And I hope you (and all here) will do it for a long, long time, and with a good reserve of money in the bank, I might add.

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Thanks for comments Ricz not trying to strain the marriage at all she is actually on board with me getting a new scoot and she is actually started thinking about the Judge when I showed it to her. I just got off the phone with the dealer. Sent them an email this morning to see if they would throw in the passenger backrest which they declined but did say they would throw in the spools for the backrest. I can't see them making alot of money on this bike anyway since they already have it marked down 3,000 and take off another grand for the military discount. I think the wife also was wanting to see what our taxes looked like to see what if anything we were getting back but deals like this don't happen everyday.

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Get dealer to throw in the 500 mile check up that will save you a few hundred.
Ask for 20% off parts for the first year.

what ever you do make the wife happy it will make your life happy

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