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Okay, I've heard others ask about the ticking on their victory and most on here have said it's normal. I on the other hand have not had ticking on my bike...at least nothing that you can notice unless really paying attention. This morning I fired my bike up and my attention was immediately brought to the ticking noise. It doesn't sound real bad and on many bikes may even sound normal...but like I said, mine has not been like that. I rode it to work and could hear the ticking along the way. After work I fired her up, same ticking after running for a minute, I gave it a little blip on the throttle and the noise I heard was something I've never heard and hard to describe. I gave it another blip and the noise repeated...almost like a metal rattle. I paused a moment then another blip and no noise. Rode it home and have not heard the noise on the ride home. I'm approaching my next oil change at 4,500 miles and have some Amsoil on the shelf waiting to go in along with a new magnetic drain plug. I checked my oil level and it's just a bit over the full line (must be from fuel). I took a small extendable magnet and ran it down the fill hole and moved it around on the bottom. There was metal on the magnet. No chunks or anything shiny. More like fine black shavings and barely enough to cover the top of the magnet which has the diameter of a pen. So to recap, I've heard two noises my bike has never made. 1. the audible tapping 2. a metal rattle sound when I blipped the throttle which hasn't repeated after 2nd blip. And then there was the fine metal shavings.

I just went to the garage after the above paragraph because I have a stethoscope in my garage. I fired her up, let oil get cirulating good then blipped the throttle a bit...twice. No noise. Tapping is there and can hear it at the bike but standing 6 feet behind the bike you can't hear it. I put my scope on the crankcase and sounds good, no noise. I put it on the cylinder and they sound real good too. Put the scope on the top covers and I hear the tapping. So it's my valves that have got louder.

What's ya'lls thoughts and opinions. All are welcome. Thanks fellas.

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Default Metal in oil a problem at 4,500 miles? Also ticking

Still new to Vic's but on my old 79 xs650 that sound is either cam chain needs adjusted or valves need adjusted. But from what's understand with these motors it could just be a stuck lifter and I have heard to just "ride it out" . But with that few miles on it it should be warranty work if its actually something wrong. Again still new to Vic's but not motors trying to learn how ours work and problems that might go with it.


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If the sound is there in neutral, but disappears when you pull in the clutch and put it in gear, that's the torque compensator. Lots of Vics do that.

Is your idle very low? You need to keep the idle up around 1000 rpm. On cold start you want to be around 1250 rpm for 2-3 minutes.

I have roughly 70K miles on the Kingpin. It NEVER uses a drop of oil. In fact, I rarely check the oil any more because it's always full. I have never run a magnet through the oil because I have no reason to suspect metal in it, just like I have never checked my car for metal in the oil.

Your bike is very new. You may see slight metalic filings on break-in, but that should pretty much be over with by now.

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If the sound is there in neutral, but disappears when you pull in the clutch and put it in gear, that's the torque compensator. Lots of Vics do that.

Is your idle very low? You need to keep the idle up around 1000 rpm. On cold start you want to be around 1250 rpm for 2-3 minutes.

I have roughly 70K miles on the Kingpin. It NEVER uses a drop of oil. In fact, I rarely check the oil any more because it's always full. I have never run a magnet through the oil because I have no reason to suspect metal in it, just like I have never checked my car for metal in the oil.

Your bike is very new. You may see slight metalic filings on break-in, but that should pretty much be over with by now.
I noted the RPM on start up this morning. 1250 on the money then gradually stepped down. Settled at 1000 by the time I geared up and was ready to ride.

The noise is at the valves, I confirmed that with my stethascope last night. Putting my scope on the cylinders and anywhere below you can not hear the tapping through the scope, just at the valve cover. The tapping does not go away with clutch pulled or going down the road. The other day was in the 50's so it was a no helmet ride when I could hear it going down the road. This morning was in the 30's so it was a full face helmet ride and you can't hear it inside the helmet...so it's not too loud.

Also, that metal rattle I described earlier did not repeat at all today. In case it matters, she was on the side stand in neutral when I reved it yesterday and heard the strange noise, have not heard it since.

I've read most engines will get shavings during break in. My bike is still on the same oil after the 500 mile inspection. The 500 mile is the only oil change its had so far. Should I go ahead and change my oil now? I'm sure it's broke in, I don't like those shavings in my oil...

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While extremely rare; once in a while there is a motor that might have a sub par part in it somewhere.

Best thing to do is take it to your dealer have it documented and let them tell you it's normal. I can almost guaranty you they will say that.
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The 500 mile is the only oil change its had so far. Should I go ahead and change my oil now? I'm sure it's broke in, I don't like those shavings in my oil...
Yes, I would change the oil.

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While extremely rare; once in a while there is a motor that might have a sub par part in it somewhere.

Best thing to do is take it to your dealer have it documented and let them tell you it's normal. I can almost guaranty you they will say that.
You're right Bob, I really should take her to the dealer for the oil change so they can tell me it's normal. Problem is it's very difficult to arrange for a drop off / pick up. My bike is my daily transportation all year long. I have a truck collecting dust and I'd rather it collect more dust. plus I have Amsoil and filter on my shelf already...Let me ask your opinion on this...what if I were to record my oil change AND send an oil sample out to a lab? Lets say the camera records me loosening the drain plug, quickly filling up the lab container first, show a clean magnet to the camera then allow the remaining oil to drain onto the magnet so it can pick up any visible metal then directly show the magnet to the camera then seal the lab container in the shipping package?

At the dealer, the mechanic would rub oil between his fingers and say "yup, its good". A lab test will document exact contaminations and at what levels.

Do you think if I have a failure in the near future needing warranty work that the above would hold up?

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In your first post you say you have 4500 miles on the bike and then in your next post you say you still have the oil in from the 500 mile check up.
Yes change oil keep in mind when you park the bike oil is hot and can drain out of a lifter. So when you start it there is no oil and you get this ticking noise.
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In your first post you say you have 4500 miles on the bike and then in your next post you say you still have the oil in from the 500 mile check up.
Yes change oil keep in mind when you park the bike oil is hot and can drain out of a lifter. So when you start it there is no oil and you get this ticking noise.
Keep your ears clean and see what you come up with
Yes, that's correct. I had the 500 mile service done...actually at 475. My bike now has 4500 so I have 4025 miles on this oil. Wasn't actually due until 5,000 on the odometer but the fine metal has me concerned. I've fired this bike up every morning since the middle of last August when I bought it, I ride this beast every single day, I know all of the sounds and noises she makes. I'm telling ya, this tapping got louder. When I mentioned that I could hear it all the way to work (20 minute ride) she is at normal operating temerature. The tapping was still louder than it's been the previous 4,500 miles BUT not loud enough to where you can hear it standing 6 ft behind the bike.

I realize that we never know what the experiance is of the rider/driver and do they really understand what they are hearing. Maybe they don't fully understand the way an engine works. While I'm not a motorcycle mechanic per say...I am an ASE certified automotive mechanic and I can tell subtle differances in noises with an engine. I understand exactly how they work. I can recognize an abnormal sound in a car months before the average driver can and can usually tell you what may be going on...at least get in the ball park. Trust me when I say something changed. What I'm trying to figure out is if this change is normal with a Victory bike after it's fully broke in or is the Victory oil is loosing its ability to properly lubricate? Do they all tap at this decibal and was mine the exceptionally quiet one for the first 4500 miles?

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I just called and orderd an oil analysis kit from Amsoil. It gets sent to Polaris labs.

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