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I'm sure this has been covered, but I gotta ask...

Starting with the performance part of this bike.. and was wondering what order folks would recommend upgrades...

13 vegas 8ball, stage one crap (didn't know any better at the time of purchase}

Already have Lloyds timing wheel, will be installing this weekend.

So whats the next smart move? PCV? Pipes? Lloyds TT??
Cannot do all the upgrades at once, so I want to piece it together,
unless the rest has to be done all at once??

From what I have read, the timing wheel will work with the set up as is, bolt in and ride.

Do I disconnact the O2 sensors??

I want to do this right, not throw away more $$$

Suggestions?


Sorry if this is beating the same horse, I'm just trying to do this the right way

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What kind of budget do you have and what are you hoping for performance wise?

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What kind of budget do you have and what are you hoping for performance wise?
about 1g for the rest...

Not planning on cams, just more sound and a little more low pull

This bike is my daily rider, and I want to keep it reliable will getting a little more umph out of it

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After doing a bunch of checking I went/am going this route in order.

1. Timing wheel.
2. Disconnect O2 sensors.
3. Exhaust.
4. Fuel controller.
5. Air intake.

At the present time I have no wish to take it further as cracking the throttle to wide open can already scare the sh!t out of me.

1, 2, and 3 can be done in any sequence and for me was based on available $$$. Before going any further you should decide whether an exhaust change is being done for sound or performance because your options after that may change. 4 can be done next however from what I've been able to find the benefits are minimal. Mine will be limited to a level 3 controller which I already have but not installed. Step 5 is what really gives it a kick in the pants and pretty much demands step 4 be in place. I'm presently waiting for that step 5 item entirely due to the recent trashing the Canadian dollar has taken.(if anyone wants to step up to the tubes from your existing Lloydz breather I can help you defer the cost)

Anything further like cams, level 4 and 5 fuel management systems, cylinder enlargement, and cylinder pressurization are beyond what I've presently planned for.

I'm not a mechanic but there's not much I won't figure out or try and this is the route I am taking. Everything here is doable at home with minimal tools. (while it's an effective tool for tuning that I don't have access to, a dyno is simply a measuring device better utilized by those who can effectively use it) Others here who are more informed than I will probably have their own opinions and suggestions. Take it all in and you'll make your best decision.

Good luck and have fun.

PS I did make a step that could be called 3.5. I drilled out about a dozen holes in the air box in front of the filter when I installed the more open exhaust.

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about 1g for the rest...

Not planning on cams, just more sound and a little more low pull

This bike is my daily rider, and I want to keep it reliable will getting a little more umph out of it
There is no downside to performance upgrades on these engines as they are WAY overbuilt. Ergo, no worries whatsoever re. reliability. For $1k, I'd invest in a good performing pipe from (in no particular order), Conquest Customs (the Assault pipe), RPW 2-1's (Bad Boy, Thor, etc.), RPW's 2-2 Slash, or Bassani Road Rage. Add a VFC III fuel controller and you'll be set and at the end of your $ supply.

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Decide on which intake you want. You can get a ness for around$150 but it's a pain to clean since you have to take the whole thing off. VFCIII is a decent controller but you won't get it perfect like you can with a PCV. I would spend my money on the PCV first and decide which filter you want. You can modify the xbows baffles you have to flow better and add exhaust later when you have more money.

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If you keep your current exhaust, you could get the Lloydz Torque Tube Intake and a PC V. If you buy those items from Lloydz, he can load a tune w/your setup. You'd have a bit of $ left as well.

The PC V will also be able to handle any future mods you might do. It's a much better and more flexible tuner than the VFC. It tunes each cylinder & it can add and subtract fuel. If you go w/a Ness intake, the VFC would be "adequate",

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If you keep your current exhaust, you could get the Lloydz Torque Tube Intake and a PC V. If you buy those items from Lloydz, he can load a tune w/your setup. You'd have a bit of $ left as well.

The PC V will also be able to handle any future mods you might do. It's a much better and more flexible tuner than the VFC. It tunes each cylinder & it can add and subtract fuel. If you go w/a Ness intake, the VFC would be "adequate",
I love Lloydz, but the difference between other intakes for a LOT less money is negligible.

If I had $1,000 to spend on performance after a timing wheel, I'd put it all into a power commander and autotune. The exhaust and intake can be added later without dyno-tuning each time. If you want to put the bike together slowly and without having a pro dyno it each time, get the PCV and AT and wait for making the larger mods.

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... the difference between other intakes for a LOT less money is negligible.

If I had $1,000 to spend on performance after a timing wheel, I'd put it all into a power commander and autotune. The exhaust and intake can be added later without dyno-tuning each time. If you want to put the bike together slowly and without having a pro dyno it each time, get the PCV and AT and wait for making the larger mods.
On this thread, https://www.victoryforums.com/showthread.php?t=122305, Motorbikerx writes "I went from from the above setup with NessRam filter which is similar to the S&S and Lloyds high-flow airbox/filters, to TorqueTubes and the difference on the dyno wasnt much 2HP / 3ftlb over the Ness, up to 4000rpm then the lines merged.
Biggest increase was in torque down low, went from 100ft/lb @2250 to 104ft/lb and held the 4 ft/lb till 3500.

Yes Tubes give a great increase over stock, but not much more over the much cheaper ways of increasing intake airflow.

For me the clincher was ease of service for filters (leave tank on)
The look and the noise is hard to beat too.

For those on a budget the much cheaper intakes will satisfy as they all give a great increase over that stock chunk of plastic."

So, yes, a handful of TQ for quite a bit more $, less the ease of servicing the intake, of course. The Autotune may be the way to go given your approach to upgrades. Probably can buy one used from a member who's done w/it.

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On this thread, https://www.victoryforums.com/showthread.php?t=122305, Motorbikerx writes "I went from from the above setup with NessRam filter which is similar to the S&S and Lloyds high-flow airbox/filters, to TorqueTubes and the difference on the dyno wasnt much 2HP / 3ftlb over the Ness, up to 4000rpm then the lines merged.
Biggest increase was in torque down low, went from 100ft/lb @2250 to 104ft/lb and held the 4 ft/lb till 3500.

Yes Tubes give a great increase over stock, but not much more over the much cheaper ways of increasing intake airflow.

For me the clincher was ease of service for filters (leave tank on)
The look and the noise is hard to beat too.



For those on a budget the much cheaper intakes will satisfy as they all give a great increase over that stock chunk of plastic."

So, yes, a handful of TQ for quite a bit more $, less the ease of servicing the intake, of course. The Autotune may be the way to go given your approach to upgrades. Probably can buy one used from a member who's done w/it.
Yah thats right if youre on a tight budget of 1K you need to spend wisely...you have a big advantage in your stateside so save on freight and your dollar buys more.
Afterr contacting K&N re cleaning and reoiling the filters (whichever one) theyre good for up to 50,000 miles so dont stress over the mainenance factor.
Its a pity Lloydz dont make a cheaper blingless filter as the shiny stuff is invisible anyway and adds to the cost.
Thats an awful tight budget cos soon as you enhance your breathing youre gonna need a fuel controller.
Id say Ness or LLOYDZ or S&S intake filter a PCV and a tune.
My dyno man only charges me $50 a throw for tickle-up tunes after the initial tune so I could afford to experiment...see if you can get a similar deal somewhere then later when you get a decent exhaust you can get your tuning spot on.
Other way to go is Freedom Performance pipes a Ness filter and a used self programable tuner.

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