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We lowered my wife's 2012 Vegas with lowering Links to allow her feet to plant firmly on the ground. Of course lowering the back end with Links cause the geometry of the front end to be off (specifically the Trail), so I also brought the trail back into spec (by having the Triple Tree machined to allow the tubes to come up in the Triple Tree which brought the Trail back into spec).
Before the lowering the front end was a bit heavy (by "Heavy" I mean that at slow speeds when the front is turned it tends to pull in the direction of the turn not unlike a bike with a overstock rake not done right). Front end is, as you would expect, still heavy,

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Will changing the front wheel to a smaller fatter one help? Has anyone done this?
Will the Gunner front end fit? and would it help?

PS: I have ridden several bikes over the years; 74 Harley FXE with a 6" Rake, stock 76 FXE, 2003 Road King, and my Victory XR. This Vegas it by far the worst for Heavy Front end.

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how much air pressure you got in the tyres?
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Front and Rear to Mfg Tire Specs.

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Lots of bikes out there with lowering links and no issues. Everything torqued properly on the front end after you disassembled to machine the trees? By your description the bike is wanting to "overturn" which would not be a characteristic of a heavy front end. Maybe just semantics but a heavy front would make it more difficult to turn in, no?
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Dropping the back end should make the front end feel lighter. Wider tires will give a more solid feel but also make it feel slightly more sluggish. I wouldn't mess around with changing wheel size or tires just yet. This subject came up in another thread but can you verify you don't have a radial tire on the front and a bias tire on the back since the rake/trail has changed?

How much did you drop the back? Two inches?

One thing you could try is to raise the front end 1/2 the distance you dropped it. If you dropped it 2" raise it 1" and see how it feels.
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get rid of the top triple tree bearing. Its a ball bearing and they can fight you when steering.
What you want is a tapered bearing like what's on the bottom triple tree. I don't remember who did it all ready here but he's happy. You'll have to find the best torque setting for your self.
Call these guys and make sure you get the right bearing along with the bearing race.
You can screw around with air pressure a tire and more but tapered bearing is the way to go.

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tires are the stock tires that came with the bike. Haven't changed them.
Back was dropped 2". Raising the front end makes it worse (lowering the front end made it better). Like I said, lowering the front brought the Trail back into Factor specs. bc8Ball is right, it is more of an "overturn". Essentially, at slow speed, the farther the it's turned the more it pulls in the same direction. At road speed it's as solid as a rock.

I suspect that the geometry of the Vegas is such that it is just the way it is. (as the Rake, and Trail are now as per the Vegas Spec).

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get rid of the top triple tree bearing. Its a ball bearing and they can fight you when steering.
What you want is a tapered bearing like what's on the bottom triple tree. I don't remember who did it all ready here but he's happy. You'll have to find the best torque setting for your self.
Call these guys and make sure you get the right bearing along with the bearing race.
You can screw around with air pressure a tire and more but tapered bearing is the way to go.

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VJ when I swapped the Kingpin front onto my Vegas I left the stock top bearings as they were.
No ill effects, steering is fine.
I dont think thats the problem, head tension not right when reinstalling top tree after milling?
What method did you use?

In absence of special tools I tapped mine around withs
Screwdriver and tapping hammer till it felt a tad tight side to side on the jack and then tapped it back a smidgin till it just swung freely
side to side with no fore aft movement.
Then tightened the uppermost top tree bolt.

That said I probably will change to a tapered roller at some future time probably when I ext service the front fork oil.

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" " 495 cams
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" " timing wheel @4 deg.
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Thanks guys, Just order a new top bearing (Tapered Roller) so we will see if that helps.
I will let you all know.

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this might help like the guy says check your manual. There is nothing for vic's


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