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After watching this vid, I got that feeling in the pit of my stomach "again" for the loss of our Victorys ..... :mad:
The HD "Stage 2" is their freer flowing intake, exhaust and mapping(Stage 1) with the addition of a drop in cam. Essentially the bike in the vid is an upgrade match to what I have in my XC. My tuner admits he has a "conservative" dyno which showed my stage 2 106 produced 112hp \ 113tq once tuned in with a flatter and longer torque curve vs. HD's stage 2 107 which came out at 98hp \ 107tq
Just reminds me of how good our Vics, that are no more, really are....

 

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I think it's safe to say you definitely get more bang for the buck from performance mods with a 106 than you can with a 107. Now with a maximus style tuner you can drop in a cam, an intake and either modify the stock or replace and have a LOT less money that the comparable HD upgrades and end up with more for it.
 

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I was worried that the new "107" might have an edge. Two of my riding members in our group bought an Ultra and the other a RGU. Ran against them both in high gear roll ons. First thing I notice is that my CCT is geared higher so I thought I might be at a disadvantage. 2800 is 75 on my CCT and the other two guys are at 3000 rpms. I immediately pulled them as soon as we hit it. All of us were riding double. At 65 mph it was closer until we got to 75 then I pulled them both. All of us are stock. They still did better than the old 103 which I trounce easily.
 

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I have a buddy that recently bought the new 117 CVO. It is a nice bike and has every bell and whistle. One day I get a text saying the bike is amazing and though it has a speed limiter at 112 he can tell it has allot more. He goes on to tell me stock his bike is putting 92HP to the ground. I was floored. I $50K bike with speed limits and a 117 that's not beating a Vic 106 with a few simple mods. I felt the same way as you PaiN. It made me really proud of my bikes but sad at the same time knowing some nitwits stopped production of something so great.

After I sent him some Dyno results from a few Vics he started taking about all the stage kits available and wondering how far he should go.

For me the top of the line bike should come out screaming. I couldn't afford the bike but I for sure couldn't buy it and then spend thousands trying to give it beef.
 

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Not being mentioned is the HD 107 oil sumping problem now showing itself. My buddy just picked up a new 2017 and having this issue.
I loved the fact that my STOCK CCT outran and handled better then my 14 previous Harlees....
 

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Looks like it went from 79/102 hp/tq to 98/107 hp/tq. Our 106 gets close to that with a stage one. Add in the cams it gets way more. Generally 110/110 hp/tq or more depending on the tune, tuner, and dyno.

Yep, freaking Polaris is an idiot, but I guess we knew that.

I keep hoping they wise up and bring it back as a limited line under the Indian name but I don't think they are smart enough. Just the XC and Vegas would be enough to keep it alive. They sold all their accessories off though and just sell the basic parts and maintenance items; supposedly for the full 10 years from last January. I wouldn't even care if they sold it as an Indian Cross Country and an Indian Vegas as long as they just kept making them. They didn't even answer my letter about re-thinking the idea of shutting Victory down. It probably didn't get past the mail room before it was thrown in the trash.

Grrrr. The decision to shut Victory down will likely be remembered as the absolute dumbest decision made by any motor company in America. Mostly because it wasn't because they couldn't afford to keep it going; they easily could. Just plain old bonehead stupid I guess.
 

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Not being mentioned is the HD 107 oil sumping problem now showing itself. My buddy just picked up a new 2017 and having this issue.
I loved the fact that my STOCK 107 outran and handled better then my 14 previous Harlees....
Did you mean your stock 106 Victory or were you talking about something else?
 

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Did you mean your stock 106 Victory or were you talking about something else?
typo. Meant 106 Vic.

just my .02 cents as to why Polaris killed the Vic might have to do with a secondary issue of an aging motor that needed upgrading in both models/engine and EPA issues forthcoming here and worldwide. They went with the hot ticket of what was selling better and what to grow. "Indian" ...
 

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Relieved to read this - haven't even watched the video yet but the title worried me that you were thinking about jumping ship.
With the bike in hibernation, I went to the range to run my guns this morning on the way back I stopped by an HD dealer to kick a few tires. The new Sport Glide and Heritage are kind of interesting as a light weight tourers but nothing more than a passing interest, so no worries ;) It'll be years before I have to seriously consider "the next" bike purchase.

typo. Meant 106 Vic.

just my .02 cents as to why Polaris killed the Vic might have to do with a secondary issue of an aging motor that needed upgrading in both models/engine and EPA issues forthcoming here and worldwide. They went with the hot ticket of what was selling better and what to grow. "Indian" ...
The "aging" tech of the Freedom 106 introduced in 2008, is pretty much the footprint HD used in its latest & greatest Milwaukee 8 engines...Yet the 106 is still more powerful, efficient and reliable.... The only area where I feel the M8 has anything over the 106 is it cooling technologies.
 

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Looks like it went from 79/102 hp/tq to 98/107 hp/tq. Our 106 gets close to that with a stage one. Add in the cams it gets way more. Generally 110/110 hp/tq or more depending on the tune, tuner, and dyno.

Yep, freaking Polaris is an idiot, but I guess we knew that.

I keep hoping they wise up and bring it back as a limited line under the Indian name but I don't think they are smart enough. Just the XC and Vegas would be enough to keep it alive. They sold all their accessories off though and just sell the basic parts and maintenance items; supposedly for the full 10 years from last January. I wouldn't even care if they sold it as an Indian Cross Country and an Indian Vegas as long as they just kept making them. They didn't even answer my letter about re-thinking the idea of shutting Victory down. It probably didn't get past the mail room before it was thrown in the trash.

Grrrr. The decision to shut Victory down will likely be remembered as the absolute dumbest decision made by any motor company in America. Mostly because it wasn't because they couldn't afford to keep it going; they easily could. Just plain old bonehead stupid I guess.

If Scott Wine and his merry bunch of nitwits at Polaris Industries could click their collective heels and make you, me, anyone and everyone who ever uttered the words Victory Motorcycle positively evaporate; they'd never stop doing it. I'm convinced they want every Victory ever produced to somehow go away. And for the owners or fans of these bikes to either wise up and buy a Polaris Indian or to forever shut up.

Polaris Industries Senior Management: if they're talking, they're likely telling half truths. In the real world, a half truth is a full lie.
 

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Today I assisted in buying a battery for a HD Ultra from my riding buddy, and was shocked with the price "" yuassa 266 U$D ""

Normally I joke that the "V" of Victory stands for "Vive Hundred Dollars" and HD stand for "Hundred Dollars" .... Coz when I used to check spares and parts it is just Sooooo much cheaper for HD then Vics.... Until you have to buy a BIG battery like that... It is almost double size from the victory battery & double price.

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One of my brothers was telling me about his H-D ownership experience Friday night. In summary, he said never again. Never again would he consider buying a H-D. His report is that it's the most expensive motorcycle he's ever had in maintenance and repairs, bare none. He's very likely going back to BMW, but a used one at that.

He has 88K on his 4 year old Street Glide Ultra Classic and so far he's had to rebuild the entire transmission, replace engine gaskets and seals kits (twice) rebuild the forks and the replace the steering head bearings, have major engine and head work done. He's spent more in the last 2.5 years on repairs than the bike is likely worth.

He's astonished that at 54K miles, my CCT hasn't needed anything but oil, filters, tires and a battery.

He's very likely going back to BMW, but a used one at that.
 

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In all fairness, any bike, car, or truck can be a real money pit, but it does seem like HD has more than their fair share of them.

All I can add is if you find yourself with a good one; hang on to it.
 

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One of my brothers was telling me about his H-D ownership experience Friday night. In summary, he said never again. Never again would he consider buying a H-D. His report is that it's the most expensive motorcycle he's ever had in maintenance and repairs, bare none. He's very likely going back to BMW, but a used one at that.

He has 88K on his 4 year old Street Glide Ultra Classic and so far he's had to rebuild the entire transmission, replace engine gaskets and seals kits (twice) rebuild the forks and the replace the steering head bearings, have major engine and head work done. He's spent more in the last 2.5 years on repairs than the bike is likely worth.

He's astonished that at 54K miles, my CCT hasn't needed anything but oil, filters, tires and a battery.

He's very likely going back to BMW, but a used one at that.
**If you own a HD scooter, sooner or later you will have stories like that one or mine. *** I had to REPLACE my Late model 1997 Ultra FLHTCU with a NEW Genuine RE-manufactured engine at 39,600 Miles!!! Cylinders and bottom came matched. Could not just replace the bottom end. I was out of warranty but put up such a fuss that they credited me $1500 towards the $5000 engine and labor job. **The color was VICTORY sun glow Red! Sure was pretty and took me on many road trips across lots of states without a break down.
Can you imagine if your Chevy or Ford PU needed a rebuilt at 39K? There would be rioting in the streets. WHY I so love my over built Victory.
 

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I went through 3 top ends and one bottom end on my 1969 Shovel in 12 years. They just don't last. Maybe with the better oils now they would last longer. I miss the bike but more for nostalgic reasons than anything else.
 

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**If you own a HD scooter, sooner or later you will have stories like that one or mine. *** I had to REPLACE my Late model 1997 Ultra FLHTCU with a NEW Genuine RE-manufactured engine at 39,600 Miles!!!
In my humble opinion; the late 90's Evo engine was the best HD ever produced. It wasn't the most powerful but it was highly reliable and longer lasting than anything before it and didn't have most the weak points the Twin Cam engine does.

This is one of the reasons the aftermarket HD engines are mostly cone motor Evo types. The other reason has to do with patents. HD was very careful to patent the TC engine in such a way that prevented the aftermarket from copying it.

If I were to replace a Harley engine today; it would be with the S&S 124" and I would replace the transmission with a bullet proof Baker trans. That combo would be really badass and fun.

Could even do burn outs and wheelies. :D
 

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Yesterday removed the seat and this morning installed the seat on that Ultra.... The cross head screw on the rear fender under the top storrage box is almost impossible to take out and put back....

The battery is bolted down with "star" key... Pffffff not my kinda bike to work on, I'll need a whole new tool set if I would consider a new HD.... But I'm not considering at all, especially after hearing all the repairs of the 13 ultras on this island....

But HD has AWSOME things, see short video of dirt bike HD

https://youtu.be/cdamc7SZlzw

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I have ridden the new softail, Fatboy and Heritage. While the Fatboy took too much effort to turn thanks to the fat rear tire the Heritage handled very well, unlike the old softail. The 114 felt like it would give my 106 a run for it's money. I'm happy to see the effect Vic had on HD, bikes that have balls and handle well. One day I will put one in my garage.
 

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Harley makes beautiful bikes. They have it down to an art form. It's just too bad every other bike on the road looks just like it. I guess that's the downside to riding the most successful brand in America today.
 
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