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We lowered my wife's 2012 Vegas with lowering Links to allow her feet to plant firmly on the ground. Of course lowering the back end with Links cause the geometry of the front end to be off (specifically the Trail), so I also brought the trail back into spec (by having the Triple Tree machined to allow the tubes to come up in the Triple Tree which brought the Trail back into spec).
Before the lowering the front end was a bit heavy (by "Heavy" I mean that at slow speeds when the front is turned it tends to pull in the direction of the turn not unlike a bike with a overstock rake not done right). Front end is, as you would expect, still heavy,

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Will changing the front wheel to a smaller fatter one help? Has anyone done this?
Will the Gunner front end fit? and would it help?

PS: I have ridden several bikes over the years; 74 Harley FXE with a 6" Rake, stock 76 FXE, 2003 Road King, and my Victory XR. This Vegas it by far the worst for Heavy Front end.

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how much air pressure you got in the tyres?
 

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Lots of bikes out there with lowering links and no issues. Everything torqued properly on the front end after you disassembled to machine the trees? By your description the bike is wanting to "overturn" which would not be a characteristic of a heavy front end. Maybe just semantics but a heavy front would make it more difficult to turn in, no?
 

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Dropping the back end should make the front end feel lighter. Wider tires will give a more solid feel but also make it feel slightly more sluggish. I wouldn't mess around with changing wheel size or tires just yet. This subject came up in another thread but can you verify you don't have a radial tire on the front and a bias tire on the back since the rake/trail has changed?

How much did you drop the back? Two inches?

One thing you could try is to raise the front end 1/2 the distance you dropped it. If you dropped it 2" raise it 1" and see how it feels.
 

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get rid of the top triple tree bearing. Its a ball bearing and they can fight you when steering.
What you want is a tapered bearing like what's on the bottom triple tree. I don't remember who did it all ready here but he's happy. You'll have to find the best torque setting for your self.
Call these guys and make sure you get the right bearing along with the bearing race.
You can screw around with air pressure a tire and more but tapered bearing is the way to go.

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tires are the stock tires that came with the bike. Haven't changed them.
Back was dropped 2". Raising the front end makes it worse (lowering the front end made it better). Like I said, lowering the front brought the Trail back into Factor specs. bc8Ball is right, it is more of an "overturn". Essentially, at slow speed, the farther the it's turned the more it pulls in the same direction. At road speed it's as solid as a rock.

I suspect that the geometry of the Vegas is such that it is just the way it is. (as the Rake, and Trail are now as per the Vegas Spec).
 

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get rid of the top triple tree bearing. Its a ball bearing and they can fight you when steering.
What you want is a tapered bearing like what's on the bottom triple tree. I don't remember who did it all ready here but he's happy. You'll have to find the best torque setting for your self.
Call these guys and make sure you get the right bearing along with the bearing race.
You can screw around with air pressure a tire and more but tapered bearing is the way to go.

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VJ when I swapped the Kingpin front onto my Vegas I left the stock top bearings as they were.
No ill effects, steering is fine.
I dont think thats the problem, head tension not right when reinstalling top tree after milling?
What method did you use?

In absence of special tools I tapped mine around withs
Screwdriver and tapping hammer till it felt a tad tight side to side on the jack and then tapped it back a smidgin till it just swung freely
side to side with no fore aft movement.
Then tightened the uppermost top tree bolt.

That said I probably will change to a tapered roller at some future time probably when I ext service the front fork oil.
 

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Thanks guys, Just order a new top bearing (Tapered Roller) so we will see if that helps.
I will let you all know.
 

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this might help like the guy says check your manual. There is nothing for vic's

 

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Thanks for all the replies, I have a new Triple Tree Roller Bearing coming Monday to see if that helps.

It occurs to me that I may not have been clear regarding the issue, which is low speed handling. My wife tells me she has seen several posts on Facebook of people indicating they too have low speed handling issues on the Vegas.

Low speed here is defined as when you first start out or are making a U-Turn at 5 – 10 MPH). Once the wheel is turned (either direction) past center, the wheel “pulls” in the direction of the turn, the more the wheel is turned the more pull. The “Pull” I am talking about is excessive. (I know that’s subjective, but compared to; My XR, my old 76 FEX (which by the way has 3 deg additional rake Triple Tree bearings), my earlier 74 FXE (6 Deg over) and a 2003 Road King I had for about a year, it’s excessive)

Anybody out there experience this? Anybody have a fix?
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I have no problem just turn my head and the bike follows where Im looking/aiming.
 

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tires are the stock tires that came with the bike. Haven't changed them.
Back was dropped 2". Raising the front end makes it worse (lowering the front end made it better). Like I said, lowering the front brought the Trail back into Factor specs. bc8Ball is right, it is more of an "overturn". Essentially, at slow speed, the farther the it's turned the more it pulls in the same direction. At road speed it's as solid as a rock.

I suspect that the geometry of the Vegas is such that it is just the way it is. (as the Rake, and Trail are now as per the Vegas Spec).
Okay. The rake and trail are back to spec so there's a slight difference in wheel base length now but I wouldn't think that would be enough to make any difference in how it felt to steer at slow speeds.

I suspect you're right; what you are feeling is simply normal for the Vegas and there is no fix for something not broken.
 

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now that you have said more I'm guessing its the skinny 21 inch wheel
 

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The Vegas front end is awesome on the highway.. not so much in the parking lot. It's the geometry of the rake/trail that make it like that. It's what makes the bike feel as stable as a freight train at 100+ mph. W/out sounding too much like a dick.. spend less time in the parking lot and more time on the road where the bike is in motion. At any speed above dragging your feet the bike is stable as a level.
 

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The Vegas front end is awesome on the highway.. not so much in the parking lot. It's the geometry of the rake/trail that make it like that. It's what makes the bike feel as stable as a freight train at 100+ mph. W/out sounding too much like a dick.. spend less time in the parking lot and more time on the road where the bike is in motion. At any speed above dragging your feet the bike is stable as a level.
Ahh yes...glad you brought this up kaitiff, foot dragging...foot draggers are not stable till feet are on the pegs.
Dunno how they all passed the licensing test.
Get them feet up on the pegs.

After reading the OP original post I did some low speed parking lot manoeuvres and felt nothing untoward.
Maybe Im used to the bike.

With a few mates having a few beers around the workshop one arvo we extended the forks on a bicycle to such an insane length the bicycle became very hard to ride.
To the point there was only one of us that could get it moving under pedal power and not have to put feet down.
And it wasnt me.
 

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I recently got a 14 XC and I can tell you that it feels 'heavier' on the front end at slow speed than my KP does.. or my wife's Vegas. I think at least part of it is the odd arrangement of the handlebars.. giving almost a tiller instead of a steering feeling.

I learned very early in my riding career not to drag my feet. Only takes ONCE to get your leg under that rear peg to break you of that habit.
 

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Ya don't think a 30 pound handlebar mounted fairing might have anything to do with that heavy steering? Nah!
 
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