First off , I would like to throw a big shout out to the "BigBK" !thumb upcheers Thanks again Brother , as he sent me his bars "in good faith" so I could install them on my bike and send him my bars . He even had to fork out a ton of shipping money too , as did I , but he took the initial risk and I truly thank him for that . Ok , lets get to the point , these bars did for me all that I wanted , they are very close to a drag bar with very little rise and very little pullback . With the bars turned all the way to one side there is about a 1/2" of tank clearance ... Perfect ! These allow me to sit in a much more aggressive position , or , lean back extend my arms and cruise along . IMO the stock Hammer bars just have way too much pullback . For me , the ergonomics now feel spot on .