Bulldog: Thanx very much for your input on the comfort of the stock bars on my 2016 Vision . I must agree when I first purchased the bike new ( I have 8K ) on it now I thought it was the most comfortable ride out there. But since May I have put 11K on my new HD Roadglyde with Apes and for my build the apes are more comfortable by far. I appreciate your comparisons to the Victory to a ballerina as it is an incredibly balanced ride but due to my long legs I have found the Apes fit tons better... thanx again for everyone's input.. it's priceless!!!