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Many of you have been riding for many years. Some of you may have rode many different motorcycles, I know I have. How many of you have been told you can't ride with them, or their clubs, because the bike you ride is not American made? That being said, which motorcycle is truely American made? Harley-Davidson use to boast that it was the true American motorycle. Have you been to a Harley shop lately, what does "China" spell?
So, which motorcycle can really claim it is the true American motorcycle? Does being assembled in America qualify for that spot of honor in today's America?
These are some of the manufacturers who call themselves American motorcyles: Riddley, Harley-Davidson, Big Dog, Indian, and our beloved Victory. When calling and asking the question of what percentage of your motorcycle is American made, to include componants, they will tell you, "we don't track that", but we make quality products. Really? Can't Japanese, Germans, and Itallian manufacturers claim the same thing?
So, when you say you ride American, you might consider pausing and thinking, do I really?
Anyone who can truely identify with facts which motorcycle is really American made, please do so. The manufacturers won't. Which bike should we call the American made motorcycle today?
 

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To a lot of people American made is a company whose profit goes back into the American economy.

Good example is Hyundai is starting an American made campaign because some of their cars are built in the US now like the new Sonata. That is true and they are luckily employing American workers BUT that money goes back to Korea's economy.
 

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To a lot of people American made is a company whose profit goes back into the American economy.

Good example is Hyundai is starting an American made campaign because some of their cars are built in the US now like the new Sonata. That is true and they are luckily employing American workers BUT that money goes back to Korea's economy.
Good point. The fuss about "american made" is not due to the extremely high quality of american made products, but more involved with the concept of who are you supporting when you purchase the product. Are you supporting the economy of which you are part of, or are you supporting someone else's economy?
 

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So, the question remains, who is really supporting America when it comes to "American Made" motorcycles. Don't you think, we the customer, need to know which motorcycle manufacturer is really supporting us, Americans, when it comes to our rides? It's time for all who claim to be American made motorcycles to MAN-UP and tell us the facts!
 

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There are no true 100% American made motorcycle.

According to Barbers Museum HD's are 80% American made while The Honda Goldwing and VTX's are 85% American made. But Honda closed their motorcycle plants in 09. The bikes that are for sale now are:
Goldwing made up to 09 (including the 2010 models)
1800 vtx up to 08
1300 vtx up to 09

Haven't read or seen any information on the Victory motorcycles yet.

So If you are looking for a 100% American made motorcycle you need to get busy and build it. I would hate to see it's cost.

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American Made???

WE should say American assembled or built in American. But not American made. I do believe the vision frames and motor are made here cause it cheaper and closer then being made over there. At one time there was a duty tax so some of the foreign bikes had the motors sent here with just a bottom end and then the rest of the motor was put together here to beat taxs. Harley got that bill pass when the jap bikes were starting to take the market away from them. Haley has had a jap front end since the 70's the plastic parts are made in Wi. and there cylinder heads and cylinders are made in minnesota. I do think victory does have a lot of American parts but where made who knows.
 

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Actually the HD forks and shocks are made buy the same company that Honda's do. I can not spell it correctly but it's Shoi .

Nothing is I made in America completely any more.

Yes, Assembled by Americans is a better way of saying it.

I went to Victory for that reason plus I like the looks/ride of the XC.

Harley can keep their attitude.
If they want to sell me a bike they need to show it and not mark it up by 1,000-2,000 dollars over retail.

Even my lawn mowers frame was made in America and was assembled by Americans. Gravely


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Acording to the EPA American made requires 72% domestic content. That content number is a little funny though as it includes engineering, and assembly. This is why we see so many design and engineering studios here along with assembly plants
 

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Understand that the front end of our X models are made overseas (don't know where) as well as the electronics.
 

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Understand that the front end of our X models are made overseas (don't know where) as well as the electronics.
Where does it say that?
 

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I am finding it interesting that I'm concerned about what percent of my Victory is made in the U.S. while watching my foreign t.v., listening to my foreign radio, wearing my "made in bangladesh" shirt and driving my foreign car. I guess my bikes are my last attempt at buying American.
 

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:( This is a pic from the bottom of the gas tank on my 2011 XC...
I can understand why a piece of injection plastic molding comes from china. They're good at making cheap plastic, and they enjoy the pollution. I have nothing against that.
 

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Forks are made in either Italy, or Japan depending on the version. Electronics come from Japan
Once again, says who? You guys have got to realize that statements like that, thrown around, are worthless. Even if they're true, until you have some sort of proof, they're worthless. So please, stop saying that until you can show something to back it up. Someone else (username: Top) said the same thing you're saying, but instead of bringing some proof, you reiterated the same statement. For example, look at vmaxed's post above: the guy gave us a photo, and therefore nobody can argue of where the plastic gas tank was made.
 

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Some have asked for proof, well that was what I was told by a Victory rep from Medina, ("The front end and electronics are made overseas; however we produce the best product possible"), sorry no picture.
This is the thing. I know, as do many of you, that we are now a consumer country. We buy from wherever we can get the biggest bang for our buck. This I do not dispute, nor am I so isolated that I still believe everything is made here at home. However if a manufacturer claims their product is "American Made" don't you think they have the responsibility to us, the consumer, to disclose what percentage of their product is truely made here in the United States?
"American Assembled" might be a better term.
In the world of motorcycles, I believe ride what you love, love what you ride, and make it your own.
Some clubs and riders seem to think that if it's not a Harley it's not sh*t, well using that logic, I guess if you ride a Harley it is sh*t (not something I want to do). I really don't understand that thinking. Go into a Harley-Davidson shop and see how many of their products are made in "China!" Don't claim to be "American Made" is what I'm saying, if it's not! Maybe we should consider all motorcycles "Internationally Made." What do you think.
Be responsible and man-up, don't claim what you're not!
 

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Some have asked for proof, well that was what I was told by a Victory rep from Medina, ("The front end and electronics are made overseas; however we produce the best product possible"), sorry no picture.
This is the thing. I know, as do many of you, that we are now a consumer country. We buy from wherever we can get the biggest bang for our buck. This I do not dispute, nor am I so isolated that I still believe everything is made here at home. However if a manufacturer claims their product is "American Made" don't you think they have the responsibility to us, the consumer, to disclose what percentage of their product is truely made here in the United States?
"American Assembled" might be a better term.
In the world of motorcycles, I believe ride what you love, love what you ride, and make it your own.
Some clubs and riders seem to think that if it's not a Harley it's not sh*t, well using that logic, I guess if you ride a Harley it is sh*t (not something I want to do). I really don't understand that thinking. Go into a Harley-Davidson shop and see how many of their products are made in "China!" Don't claim to be "American Made" is what I'm saying, if it's not! Maybe we should consider all motorcycles "Internationally Made." What do you think.
Be responsible and man-up, don't claim what you're not!
Going off what you are saying then you are correct no bike is American made. No car is American made either. There are some foreign parts in all of them.

Does American made go by a percentage of American made parts?

I don't understand why this is such and issue with so many people.
 

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Okay, what if the product's made 100% in America, but the tools used to make the product are imports?! :ltr:

So, then, maybe manufacturers shouldn't get away with "Made in USA" - instead, they should list each part individually, and label the place where it was manufactured, the raw materials used and their origin, the citizenship check of the workers who touched it, country of origin for the tools and machines used to manufacture it, etc. Also, a detailed ownership percentage of each company involved should be provided, in case a company ends up being owned various percentages between parties who are not all american. And this should all be printed in a 500+ page manual which should be permanently attached to the end product - in our case, the motorcycle.

As far as someone saying "you can't ride with us" - I've never had that problem - maybe because I like riding independently, not as part of a group. But if someone's that childish and doesn't want you riding with them, why would you even want to talk to them?
 

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As a former HD owner, who never really got into the "us vs them" riding mentality, I always got a chuckle out of the hardcore HD folks who were vocal about the superiority of their "American" made bike.

However, buying overpriced chrome accessories from HD with "made in taiwan or china" stamped in small print on the back of the package, never seemed to be an issue.
 
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