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I have quite a few friends who ride, and after a long time of wanting to ride, I decided last year to get up off my ass, learn the right way, and get into it myself. I started slow, on a 250 and learned the ropes with a close friend who turned out to be an excellent teacher. I shocked him by picking it all up with incredible ease, and soon began riding as often as I could.

About 2 or 3 weeks before I could get into the next MSF course, I was hitting every shop I could find, to sit on and determine what the best fitting bike for me was. I was all over the place man, sportbikes, cruisers, nakeds... you name it, I was "in love" with more than I can list. I just wanted to get a feel for some of them before I bought. I had planned to buy after completing my MSF training, but off in the corner of one shop I spotted a pre-owned GSXR600, and it was calling my name. It was very affordable, so I figured what the hell... I'm likely to drop or wreck my first bike (I'm a realist, not an optimist), and having so little invested in my 1st bike was a better idea than buying my dream bike, then screwing it up. So I bought it, and my buddy rode it to my house for me. I began riding all the time, logging hundreds of miles in the first 2 weeks I had her. In my state you can ride daytime with no passenger from passing the written exam, but need the full license to ride unrestricted.

I practiced in a HUGE empty parking lot, getting the basics down, and pushing myself each and every time. Then I was out on the road all day, every day doing the same.

I had a few close calls, even dropped her (slowly) in my garage doing something stupid. All a part of the learning process, and right there I was thankful for buying used.

Took my MSF course, was the top of the class, and got my license.

Each day on my Gixx was a dream come true, and I finally realized the freedom that riding had to offer, but as with all cool new hobbies, I was becoming obsessed. I spent all day and night researching bikes (for my serious purchase), and watching every vid on youtube that I could find. Still... I didn't know if I wanted a sportbike or a cruiser, each had things that appealed to me.

Then I realized that I loved my Gixx, so while I loved probably 10 other sportbikes, this one would suit my needs, so off to look at cruisers I went.

I hit every shop I could find, and while most of my friends ride Metrics, they didn't "do it" for me really... I knew I had to have a Harley. Big, loud and cool, Harley had it all.

I test rode a V-Rod Muscle and simply fell in lust with it. On the same ride, the salesman pulled out a Softail Night Train, and I rode that as well. I had no idea standard HD's were so anemic on power!!! I mean hell, they rumble, scream and vibrate everything around them, so I always thought they were powerful beasts... I was so wrong. But the Rod was pure sex man, just awesome.

So my mind was made up. I loved the look, the feel, and the power if you get up into the last 1500rpm on the tach... I checked with the accountant (wife), and cleared a $20k purchase and assumed about $3k in mods for immediate install. I was ready to go.

But the week I was set to go order my new Harley, I was back on the net... obsessively, and I know everyone here knows that feeling. That's when I came across Victory. Now I had heard the name before, seen some of the bikes in pictures, and always thought they were modern and sexy, but I had the mindset that if you owned a cruiser, it kinda had to be a Harley. But I'm not one to go off half-cocked, so I dug a bit deeper.

I liked what I saw, so I headed down to the local Victory dealer. I have to admit that I was disheartened by the fact that the only way you can buy a Victory is to visit your local lawnmower store, but I went in anyway.

There I saw a bad-ass bright orange Jackpot and realized how sexy these bikes really were in person. I ended up test riding a black Vegas standard that day, and my head was turned forever.



Intermission... go pee or something....... :D


First impressions were that yeah... cruisers are tremendously heavier than my sportbike, and it caused me some concern, especially for low speed maneuvering such as in a parking lot, or doing U-Turns. This played in my head a bit. It also took a lot more effort to turn the bike. Sportbikes take VERY little input to initiate any action. Think of comparing the steering of a Cadillac to the steering of a go-kart... it seemed that drastic. I first noticed these things on my Harley rides, so this of course is not a "Victory thing", but it is something you consider when making the jump into a cruiser.

I took it out for a quick 15 minute ride, and soon completely overcame my worry about the weight. Instead I was dealing with the oddity of swinging my feet forward onto the pegs from a stop (very alien to me), and a strange new sensation... wind belting you right in the chest. While the windscreen on a sportbike is minimal, it does do an effective job of creating some aerodynamic smoothness. You also tuck in at higher speeds eliminating most of the wind. But here, there's nothing at all stopping it, and it felt strange. Not bad per se, but certainly different.

Then I learned the difference between torque and horsepower. On a sportbike, it's mostly about hp, but on a cruiser torque is king. I was riding at about 45mph or so at what I believe must have been about 4000rpm and I decided to give the throttle a good hard hit.

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HOLE. E. Chit.

I have no shame in admitting that my hands nearly lost their grip on the bars, and it scared the piss outta me.

Between the wind and the sheer raw power of the bike, I was nearly peeled off the damn bike. I slowed down, pulled over and shook off the adrenaline rush that the experience gave me. Then I pulled back onto the road... smiling like a small child with a new toy. I readied myself and I did it again. Man what a rush. I could not believe how this felt!!!! The Softail did NOT come close to this. The V-Rod's power comes on smoother, and ONLY in the last 1000rpm, so I never felt it hit like the Vegas did.

After that day I went into research overload to see what Victory might have that really called my name. There were plenty I 'liked', but nothing made my pants tight, so I kept looking. I came across this and another Victory forum, and I noticed Diamondrmp's name on them, and I knew him from an unrelated forum we hang at, so I asked him tons of stupid newbie questions. Of course, as you all know, he was so kind to go into great detail and confirm my warm feelings toward this brand, and i was another step closer. Diamond, if not for you, I might not have made the leap, so I thank you bro!!

Finally one night around 1am I came across a dealer's site and I found her. I found a VIP demo (so it sold as a new bike) in the 07 Hammer S. Sunset red and black... OMG I thought I had found a tricked out full custom by the looks of her, but she was a bone stock factory bike. The 250 tire, the rich red wheels, the massive Brembos, the solo seat look (imagine my delight when I found out about the seat under that cowl!!), and the sleekness in the overall design. This one not only called out to me, but it demanded that I stay awake all night thinking about it.

No other bike was in my thoughts now, and I made the appointment to go see the bike. This dealership was 1.5 hours away from me, and worth every minute of the drive. Knowing I would fall in lust I asked my buddy to come with me and bring his trailer. Being 31 degrees, probably not the best weather for a long ride :eek:

We got there and my jaw hit the floor. Bikes aren't supposed to be this sexy without a huge price tag attached. Being a demo, I was able to get it for just under $13k, so that was a far better investment than the $20k V-rod and my wife agreed :D

Took it out for a ten mile test ride, froze my ass off and nearly went into frostbite on my hands, but it was the perfect bike. I have never, and I do mean NEVER felt a transmission shift so smoothly. The handling was spot-on and IMO better than the Harley was. And while it is about an inch longer and within 5lbs of the V-Rod, I would swear that it was a smaller bike due to the way it handled. It also somehow feels slimmer, could just be the tank shape, I dunno. Regardless... once I rode the bike, my love for the Harley faded quickly. Then it hit me... I see V-Rods on the road in my area all the time, but I have never seen a Hammer S, and only rarely seen any Victory at all. I dig exclusivity, so this helped make the decision even easier.

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I've now had it for 3 months, and while we're only now getting good enough weather to ride, I could not be more happy. I've only logged about 300 miles on her (and 100 were done in one ride), but that's mainly due to the weather, and she was gone for two weeks installing a LOT of mods.

I rarely feel this secure in a big purchase, this much happiness and excitement. I feel an adrenaline rush when I go out to the garage and just look at her. I don't even search out "my next acquisition" anymore, I'm actually 100% satisfied, and for me... that is a near-impossibility. The only thing I'm interested in for the future is another Victory (or two).

Whether you've been riding for 20 years or 2 years, this bike will excite you. And I firmly believe that if you go ride the Harley of your choice and then ride the comparable Victory model, you will be impressed. The clutch ease, the shifting smoothness, the nearly vibration free ride, the race-bike quality brakes, the wonderful ergonomics and the satisfaction of owning a bike that you won't see on every corner.... all of these things combined make for a truly wonderful experience.

If you hop on your bike and for any reason don't feel that rush like you did when you first got her, go test ride a Victory, I believe you'll experience it all over again.

I'm not one to really gush over any material thing, but this bike excites me in a way I've not felt for a long time. I'm also not one to buy something simply based on the status of a brand name, but as y'all know, it is hard to resist the Harley name. I am so very glad that I did in this case. I know that I will absolutely own a Harley someday soon, because they do make a fantastic bike, but I also know that that day won't come until I have 1 or 2 more Victorys in my garage.

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Great Post. But I think you missed your calling in life. Have you ever thought about becoming a writer of novels?:ltr: Just kidding. I know how you feel I would post my like of my Vic by just adding DITTO to your post.thumb up
 

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Nice read. You should post that on a site other than a Vic site, so others who ride other types of bikes can get your experience.

Enjoy your bike!
 

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Thanks everyone.

I decided to put it up here because we see quite a few posts from folks who are thinking about a Victory, but have not committed yet.

Maybe, like me, they sought out a brand specific forum first to get an idea about the quality of the bikes.
 

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My feelings exactly everytime I ride my bike. :D I can't believe how many times I got man that's an awesome looking F$&@# bike everytime I stopped at a light this past weekend. :Dcheers
 

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Thanks for the outline. Interesting read. From the title, I almost expected a 180 from the content. I read it as... "If your thinking about buying a Victory, read my story first... sounds more like a guy that may have gotten a bad "left over" or had poor dealer service or something similar.

I am one of the "newbies" considering Victory. I continue to be positive on Vic and your diatribe outlines the emotional part. My concerns are not related to value but rather about other things like ABS vs. no ABS. I realize that was not a issue in your analysis since ABS was not on either bike. IS ABS REALLY safer than no ABS? I realize you can not answer that.

What about after-market parts for the Vics? I can buy a "premium" used Vic to get the Victory chrome equivalent of the Custom or Screaming Eagle that Harley offers but there is not a "premium" Cross Country yet (other than the Ness one). I don't really want to pull my bike apart to have someone chrome the factory parts. At recent Demo Rides I have seen a few after market companies and I've heard of a few on here so I guess there may be some out there. Personally, I'd like to buy the bike the way I want it to begin with but I also realize that may not be possible at this point in time.

What about the once-a-week "bikers night"? I went to a few recently and there was an area for the Japanese Sport bikes, an area for Harley "touring" bikes & an area for "those in-between" (like the V-Rods and/or jackpot-ish derivations). There was even an area for Can-Am and "oddball" car-ish-type 3-wheelers. There were well over 800 bikes there (I quit counting around 500). There was not a SINGLE Victory there. Not a Vision, not a Jackpot, not a Kingpin nor any CrossRoads/Country bikes. While that weekly event is not really a reason I would buy a bike, I still wonder...where would I even park my Victory in all that mess? I assume that all are friendly so "any where I want" might be the response but If I get my Vic touring bike (Cross Country), do I then park it next to the 1.3 gazillion std Street Glides or do I move up the food chain to park it next to the highly customized Street Glides, do I look for the few road glides or Electric glides, etc? :crzy:
 

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Ndabuna, here are some short answers for your questions.
1. IMO abs is never an issue.
2. There are quite bit of parts available from Arlen Ness, kuriyakun(sp)and some other manufacturers for victory.
3. I'm not trying to be a dick but I park my bike where I want.
 

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I still wonder...where would I even park my Victory in all that mess?

And I wonder why you would want to park in all that mess:)
Each to their own, but I buy a bike for one thing.

TO RIDE. and if it has to please or impress anyone it would be me.
(never been a kool-aid drinker) Just a rider:)
 

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first victory i ever saw in person was the
2007 hammer s at a dealership.i think that
paint scheme red/black was one of their
finest,that red metalflake really pops.
what mods have you done to her?cheers
 

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I still wonder...where would I even park my Victory in all that mess?

And I wonder why you would want to park in all that mess:)
Each to their own, but I buy a bike for one thing.

TO RIDE. and if it has to please or impress anyone it would be me.
(never been a kool-aid drinker) Just a rider:)
LOL - I didn't even realize I had used the possessive case on the postulation. I guess that does demonstrate that I am still favoring the Victory over other options. My intention had been to state.."Where would one park A victory..."
 

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I'll adress your questions in your quote so as not to miss anything....



Thanks for the outline. Interesting read. From the title, I almost expected a 180 from the content. I read it as... "If your thinking about buying a Victory, read my story first... sounds more like a guy that may have gotten a bad "left over" or had poor dealer service or something similar.

I am one of the "newbies" considering Victory. I continue to be positive on Vic and your diatribe outlines the emotional part. My concerns are not related to value but rather about other things like ABS vs. no ABS. I realize that was not a issue in your analysis since ABS was not on either bike. IS ABS REALLY safer than no ABS? I realize you can not answer that.

Yes, ABS is a big deal to many, and understandably so. For me, it wasn't a deal-breaker because unlike with a car (where I feel ABS is absolutely required these days), we were taught specifically how to stop without locking up the brakes. It's how we learned from the 1st time we got on a bike. "Don't grab a fistful of brake" and all that. After quite a few emergency stops, I am confident that I won't lock mine up.

I'd also prefer traction control like MotoGP riders have, but no cruiser has that, only sportbikes... so I live without
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What about after-market parts for the Vics? I can buy a "premium" used Vic to get the Victory chrome equivalent of the Custom or Screaming Eagle that Harley offers but there is not a "premium" Cross Country yet (other than the Ness one). I don't really want to pull my bike apart to have someone chrome the factory parts. At recent Demo Rides I have seen a few after market companies and I've heard of a few on here so I guess there may be some out there. Personally, I'd like to buy the bike the way I want it to begin with but I also realize that may not be possible at this point in time.


No, Victory doesn't have the aftermarket that HD or some Metrics do, but it's also not as limited as say Triumph either.

I can't think of a single part I cannot exchange out on my bike, so that's a plus. Also we have the same general accessory aftermarket as Metrics do because we actually run metric sizes in everything except the handlebars. Our aftermarket is also slightly cheaper than HD, but not by much.


What about the once-a-week "bikers night"? I went to a few recently and there was an area for the Japanese Sport bikes, an area for Harley "touring" bikes & an area for "those in-between" (like the V-Rods and/or jackpot-ish derivations). There was even an area for Can-Am and "oddball" car-ish-type 3-wheelers. There were well over 800 bikes there (I quit counting around 500). There was not a SINGLE Victory there. Not a Vision, not a Jackpot, not a Kingpin nor any CrossRoads/Country bikes. While that weekly event is not really a reason I would buy a bike, I still wonder...where would I even park my Victory in all that mess? I assume that all are friendly so "any where I want" might be the response but If I get my Vic touring bike (Cross Country), do I then park it next to the 1.3 gazillion std Street Glides or do I move up the food chain to park it next to the highly customized Street Glides, do I look for the few road glides or Electric glides, etc? :crzy:


I wondered the same thing, until I wandered across a regional forum a few days ago, that I didn't even kow existed. Turns out that we have a decent number of Victory riders in my area, and they do runs all the time. As far as parking during regular events, I understand how you feel, but I would honestly get right over it once I saw there were no other Victory rides there. I'd also dig the uniqueness of my ride at the same time. It's not "just another Dyna" as you hear people mumble when they stroll by a row of Harleys.
first victory i ever saw in person was the
2007 hammer s at a dealership.i think that
paint scheme red/black was one of their
finest,that red metalflake really pops.
what mods have you done to her?cheers

Thanks! I agree, this color sizzles. The other color that captivates me was the screaming lime green they used not too long ago.

Mods so far:
MBW LED turns on rear
MBW LED ring turns on forks
RPW black slash pipes + tune
Swingarm license plate
Transmission insert, engraved with Maltese Cross/flames
Kuryakyn Black ISO grips/throttle boss
Custom bar end mirrors machined into grips (that has been the longest endevour)
Kuryakyn Swingwing pegs
and a few other small mods I'm not remembering right now :D
 

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Go into your pro file and add your city and state and model bike.
That way we can look for you on the hwy and if you post again we will know what model bike you have.

Heck all of you guys do the same.

Great write up I relived my buying of a vic and am so happy I did.
 

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Great write up and thanks for the props Bandit. I'm glad I could help you make a decision that you are happy with.

Now I need to find me an 08 Black MSRT8!!! The guys on the LXforums <---not a competing site, are a bit overpriced.



ndabunka...sounds like you are looking at a bike for profiling and fitting in. If thats the case get an HD. Nothing wrong with that if thats what you want.

I park my bike where ever I want except in a show which it has to be parked in its classification.

I've personally never heard of a segregated bike night. All the bike nights I've gone to you park where ever.

Get what you want and what moves you because we are Victory owners and of course we are going to praise our bikes.

Ultimately its your ass sitting and riding the bike and you need to feel good on that bike.
 

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Ndabuna, here are some short answers for your questions.
1. IMO abs is never an issue.
2. There are quite bit of parts available from Arlen Ness, kuriyakun(sp)and some other manufacturers for victory.
3. I'm not trying to be a dick but I park my bike where I want.


You haven't even scratched the surface those are mostly HD converted pieces from those guys.

If you are looking for Victory specific aftermarket there is Kewlmetal, Cycleops, Conquest Customs, Witchdoctor and more.
 

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BanditSRT8 - Thanks for your replies. Interesting angle on the ABS. I am actually the opposite of your position. While I can see the interest of the general population to have ABS on their cars, I am also familiar enough with driving techniques that ABS isn't (in my opinion) REALLY needed on a car as much as it would be needed on a bike. I can control a car in pretty much ANY kind of skid. Just not certain I could do the same with a 900 lb beasty that requires I not only steer but also BALANCE that critter in the same skidding event.

As far as fitting in... Well, it's not really the case here but like others I do see a lot of people gravitating to Harley and therefore that balance is also often reflected in the social environment (like the bike night I mentioned). However, most every Harley rider (non-salesman) I have run into is "cool" with the Victorys (If they REALLY know about them). Also, the "grouping" they do at that bike night is informal so it's not like it's set up that way by the restaurant or anything.

Thanks for the input guys. Although I have still not 100% decided on which bike it will be myself, I am thoroughly enjoying the adventure of the chase...
 

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I prefer ABS on my cars because 4000+ pounds of steel skidding on a wet road is nearly unstoppable. ;)

With enough practice, you'll notice that a properly equipped bike with a skilled rider can stop in a VERY short distance at high speeds.


As for your decision, like I said, ride both, as close as you can to each other, and the decision is honestly very easy.

I carry full insurance on all my bikes and cars. I even have "act of God" included. No reason not to be fully insured, too many things can go wrong, and if something does, that's NOT the time to be worrying about repair costs to your bike or a lawsuit from another party involved in the accident. I have theft, and every type of accident coverage.
 

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BanditSRT8 - Thanks for your replies. Interesting angle on the ABS. I am actually the opposite of your position. While I can see the interest of the general population to have ABS on their cars, I am also familiar enough with driving techniques that ABS isn't (in my opinion) REALLY needed on a car as much as it would be needed on a bike. I can control a car in pretty much ANY kind of skid. Just not certain I could do the same with a 900 lb beasty that requires I not only steer but also BALANCE that critter in the same skidding event.
You wrong in the car abs angle. If you lock your wheels during breaking you can not steer your car.
I'm guessing from all of your posts you've never been on a bike before. I had my share of concerns before I got on a bike and as a new rider I'm telling you once you take the rider course and get on the bike all your worries will be gone. So do us a favor take that course asap.
 

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You wrong in the car abs angle. If you lock your wheels during breaking you can not steer your car.
I'm guessing from all of your posts you've never been on a bike before. I had my share of concerns before I got on a bike and as a new rider I'm telling you once you take the rider course and get on the bike all your worries will be gone. So do us a favor take that course asap.
..sigh... You can VERY easily modulate your braking in a cage with your own foot if you need too. IMHO, it's easier to do that with a foot you are not using for support. Some may say that you should not be using the brake foot for support on a bike either but the reality is that if push comes to shove, your centrifugal weight may be being transferred to the bikes rear brake from your leg trying to keep you on the bike. This does not occur in a car as you are strapped down in the seat and can (more easily) lift as needed in a car.

My class is at the end of the month. I'll try to take it easy on you guys until then...LOL
 
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