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Bet this didn't happen when they had a total gun ban.
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This is the part we never get to hear about.
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What part would you like to discuss? Rather what hasn't already been discussed?

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I don't know I posted this because it gets people all bitchy and it's also a very sad tragic place.
 

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I agree , if more law abiding citizens were carrying guns , the world would be a much safer place .... PERIOD ! Chicago should be the model for why gun control is useless ..... All these gun laws affect the good guys , and do nothing to keep guns off the street . This is what happens when democrats run the show , EPIC FAILURE !wac
 

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I agree , if more law abiding citizens were carrying guns , the world would be a much safer place .... PERIOD ! Chicago should be the model for why gun control is useless ..... All these gun laws affect the good guys , and do nothing to keep guns off the street . This is what happens when democrats run the show , EPIC FAILURE !wac
Ever see Rudy Giuliani on Fox? He was a Republican mayor of NYC and well regarded for overseeing a big decrease in crime during his tenure.

As mayor of New York, Giuliani was a proponent of gun control, but, while running for President, has made statements supporting the right to carry concealed weapons.

During his time in the United States Department of Justice in the early 1980s, Giuliani said that a mandatory waiting period before purchasing a handgun was "sensible and moderate".

As Mayor of New York, Giuliani became a nationally visible figure in favor of national gun control measures, beginning with an appearance on Meet the Press in late 1993. He was in favor of the 1993 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban.

Giuliani and then-president Bill Clinton exchanged correspondence in 1994 regarding Giuliani's support for the assault weapons ban. Clinton wrote to Giuliani in a May 6, 1994 letter: "Thank you very much for your efforts on behalf of H.R. 4296, the assault weapons ban." Clinton continued:

"With your support and encouragement, the U.S. House of Representatives took a critical step toward getting assault weapons off the streets, out of neighborhoods, and out of the hands of criminals."

Clinton further said that he was "grateful" for Giuliani's "dedicated" support of the legislation.

On May 31, 1994 Giuliani replied, "Thank you for your autographed photo and kind note." He added, "Please know that you have my continued support for this crucial legislation." An October 13 letter thanked Clinton for a signing pen and said, "I look forward to continuing to work with you to reduce crime . . . ."

He appeared on the Charlie Rose Show in 1995 and compared the National Rifle Association with "extremists." He said that the anti-gun control positions of many Republicans are "terrible for states and cities. They're terrible for America." After pointing to NYPD gun seizures and reductions of homicides and shootings in particular. He added that can New York City can "only so far, unless the federal government passes a law that keeps the 90 percent of guns from coming into New York from outside New York, helps us get control over that."

In February 1997 a gunman opened fire from atop the Empire State Building hitting seven people, killing one of these persons. Giuliani blamed lax gun laws for the shooting: "It should be as difficult to get a gun in Florida as it is in New York City." In 1997, while the Assault Weapons Ban was in effect, he called for a stricter federal ban on assault weapons and for handgun registration on the federal level.[82] He also endorsed President Bill Clinton's proposals for more stringent federal gun-licensing requirements, "I applaud the President's [Clinton’s] proposals, and I will support them any way I can." In the same speech he said, ". . . we may be able to find some sort of meaning in this tragedy [the Empire State Building shooting] by using it as a catalyst to revive national gun control efforts."

Beginning in 1997, he regularly criticized states in the Southern United States for having permissive laws on gun sales, that fed an illegal movement of guns into New York City; he said that 60 percent of guns found in New York came from Florida, Georgia, Virginia, and the Carolinas. He endorsed amendments to city laws requiring gun owners to use trigger locks and prohibiting guns within a thousand feet of schools.

In a newspaper article, published, March 21, 2000, Giuliani was quoted advocating a mandatory written test for gun owners: "I do not think the government should cut off the right to bear arms. My position for many years has been that just as a motorist must have a license, a gun owner should be required to have one as well. Anyone wanting to own a gun should have to pass a written exam that shows that they know how to use a gun, that they’re intelligent enough and responsible enough to handle a gun."

On June 20, 2000, the City of New York filed a lawsuit against gun manufacturers and distributors. Giuliani accused gun companies of "deliberately manufacturing many more firearms than can be bought for the legitimate purposes of hunting and law enforcement." Giuliani also said, "This lawsuit is meant to end the free pass that gun industry has enjoyed for a very, very long time.... The more guns you take out of society, the more you are going to reduce murder." The lawsuit remains active. During his abortive run for the New York Senate seat in 2000, he advocated a uniform national standard for all gun owners and supported legislation that gave New York State the most restrictive gun laws in the nation.

According to Gun Owners of America (GOA), Rudy's position of "Disarming citizens because they live in a high crime area is taking away the most effective means of self-defense from the people who need it most. Creating mandatory victims is no way to fight a crime problem." GOA further expressed significant concerns that "If Giuliani's gun control agenda was really limited 'only' to big cities, that would be disturbing enough. But the record shows that the Mayor continually tried to export his gun control agenda to the rest of the nation."

In a February 2007 Sean Hannity interview, he said that "[The right to carry a handgun] is part of the Constitution. People have a right to bear arms," and that while tough gun-control laws were needed in New York City, "in another place, more rural, more suburban ... you have a different set of rules." He applauded the March 2007 Parker v. District of Columbia United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit decision that struck down D.C.'s highly restrictive Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975. His campaign officials declined to say whether Giuliani would still support the federal assault weapons ban, the imposition of federal rules on the states, or his claims about Southern states feeding weapons into the North. Giuliani has also stated that decisions regarding concealed carry laws should be left to the states.

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Actually, those kinds of shootings did happen, and happened often when they had the total handgun ban.

Ya know, cause criminals don't follow laws.
 

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Actually, those kinds of shootings did happen, and happened often when they had the total handgun ban.

Ya know, cause criminals don't follow laws.
Exactly.............
 

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A while back, we had a shooting at a mall that was brought to an end by a conceal carry permit holder. Nuff sed.
 

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A while back, we had a shooting at a mall that was brought to an end by a conceal carry permit holder. Nuff sed.
Funny that didn't make national news, had the guy not been stopped it would have been in the news everywhere.

Like the ccw carrier in Chicago no news reports by major media but he stopped a would be killer.
 

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Why am I not surprised that our local news never made it to national coverage. Maybe Saddlebags has an excuse, er expatiation why the left leaning news networks never informed their gullible viewers that CHL permit holders can be effective in stopping shooting sprees.
 

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I agree , if more law abiding citizens were carrying guns , the world would be a much safer place .... PERIOD ! Chicago should be the model for why gun control is useless ..... All these gun laws affect the good guys , and do nothing to keep guns off the street . This is what happens when democrats run the show , EPIC FAILURE !wac
Chicago should be the model of epic failure. If Chicago did it, do the opposite.
 

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What really got NYC crime down when Rudy was mayor was the stop and frisk polices. While unpopular with every minority, it did bring crime way down. The gun ban just made a beat cop's life easier; anyone that wasn't a cop that had a gun was a collar.
 

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Maybe Saddlebags has an excuse, er expatiation why the left leaning news networks
What is a left leaning network?

People are shot by the hundreds if not thousands everyday in this country. Do you expect to see coverage on every one?

I'll be you a donut that if some gets shot in your area, it will make the local paper, whether or not they have a license to carry.
 

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What is a left leaning network?

People are shot by the hundreds if not thousands everyday in this country. Do you expect to see coverage on every one?

I'll be you a donut that if some gets shot in your area, it will make the local paper, whether or not they have a license to carry.
Not gonna honor that with a reply, but I can't stand Krispie Kreme, way too sweet. A chocolate covered raised from a ma and pa would be wonderful.cheers
 

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I'm a gun owner. My roommate is a gun owner. I taught my wife to shoot (she's damn good, too, better than me). I don't have any handguns, but not because I'm opposed to them. I'm just not a very good shot with a handgun and when I have $500 that isn't paying off some doctor, I tend to spend it on my motorcycle. I don't own any assault rifles because I'm just not really into that sort of thing. I like old school type stuff. Bought a Taurus Circuit Judge .45/.410 because I thought it looked neat. Totally impractical. Not bad for home defense. But it sure is cool. Would love a Henry in .45 Colt or a nice lever-action .45-70.

gun control is tricky. I'm not always sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, I enjoy recreational shooting and varmint hunting (have an old-as-hell Hawthorne .22 WMR that's just a nail driver), and I want to be able to pursue those activities at my leisure. I'm not a criminal or whack-job, but I wouldn't hesitate to fire on an intruder in my home or someone who was threatening me or my loved ones with deadly force (or the douchebag who stole Lacy's bike).

I support the 2nd Amendment, but I often wonder how far the right to bear arms goes. Many take the Bill of Rights quite literally, but I also see the point behind the argument that when the Bill of Rights was written, the pinnacle of personal firearms was a muzzle-loader rifle. Can that logically be applied to a fully-automatic weapon that can hold 100 rounds?

But then I think...man, those assault rifles are fun to shoot. I wouldn't buy one, and I can't rightly agree that anyone NEEDS one, but hey...they are fun. For most owners guns are kind like big-boy (or girl) toys we take out for fun or sport, or even tools to feed our families.

I like owning and shooting guns. But I, like most, don't want the crazies to get them. But how do we identify the crazies? Convicted criminals, okay, good start. Victims of mental illness who are violence-prone, okay. But not everyone who goes crazy is born that way, so how do we know who will snap and when?

It's tricky, and I don't envy any lawmaker that has to grapple with the prospect of gun control. I don't believe disarming the public is the way, but there's gotta be something...this is one of those things I just really struggle with getting a handle on.

PS: I'm not looking to start any fires here, i'm just sorta thinking aloud and sharing some thoughts. I'm one of those folks that's always thinking about stuff, including the things I believe in and WHY I believe them.
 

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Screening for crazies and felons is all you can do. Rigid enforcement of existing federal gun laws would work wonders on crime. You can't prevent crime. You can only punish offenders.
 

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I'm thinking of offering Saddlebags 2 bridges for the price of 3. Think he'll go for it? Anyone who doesn't know our national networks are leftist (except Fox) is surely going to buy bridges and I might as well be the one making the sale. I'm creating the deeds now.:ltr:
 

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What is a left leaning network?

It's where ALL of you Dumb-ass libs get get all of your edjumucation.
It's why most ex-slaves say AXED instead of asked...... they were taught by dumb ass southerners and buckeyes.
You wanna talk about racism? Why didn't you assholes teach them PROPER ENGLISH??????
 
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