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Hey guys I've read all over this forum about S&S air boxes, cams, etc. I just want to know is the S&S airbox the best way to go? And will I need another calibration after the install? How much of a gain will this be? I currently have Slash Ness exhaust that was installed previously before I purchased the bike. And it has K&N airfilter also installed. I can not tell if the calibration has changed but I can tell you it runs good with no popping of the exhaust. I love the way it runs now but want alittle more. (My wife is not happy about this). Any feedback is greatly appreciated. thumb up
 

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Some recommend the Lloyd's torque tubes.
I don't know anything about the Torque Tubes, but I do know when I installed my S&S and got the download it made a huge difference in seat of the pants power. I would bet 15 to 20 HP. It may be a bit lower, but definitely one of the best bang for the buck add ons I have done IMO.
 

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Alright, I've done many different combo's on that year and can truythfully say the best bang for the buck mod is S&S 'box, 92/5 cams, and advanced cam gears.
Now there are other combos that make more power, but if you want the most drivability, noticeabilty, and least amount of money spent this is it!
I recommend the 05 Hammer map, or an 05 S&S map, but no other fuel controller needed. $485 in parts plus labor.
Here is more detail and comments from several people whom I've done this mod for: http://forums.thevmc.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=100361&posts=35&start=1
I do the cams gears on an exchange basis for those that are interested.....
 

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Hey thanks alot!! What kind of gains could be seen just with the S&S air box with new mapping as compared to airbox and cams? What exactly is the 92/5 cams? And is that $485 with the calibration?
 

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Hey thanks alot!! What kind of gains could be seen just with the S&S air box with new mapping as compared to airbox and cams? What exactly is the 92/5 cams? And is that $485 with the calibration?
The airbox alone can be worth 20HP. The 92/5 cams are the stock cams from the 02-05 bikes, they perform better than the 06-07 cams especially when teamed with the advanced gears.

I like the 92/5 cam because it's a great cam that isn't too big. That cam with the advanced gears really brings the SNAP back into the throttle response. It also helps bring back some low-end that's lost with the open airbox.

I think the customer feedback says it all!
 

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Just out of curiousity how much torque is lost with the S&S intake as compared to stock intake? I do have the slash ness exhaust which I dont know if thats bad or good for horsepower/torque ratings. I've seen on this forum lots of exhaust modifications perform worse that stock. Hopefully this exhaust isnt one of them.
 

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Just out of curiousity how much torque is lost with the S&S intake as compared to stock intake? I do have the slash ness exhaust which I dont know if thats bad or good for horsepower/torque ratings. I've seen on this forum lots of exhaust modifications perform worse that stock. Hopefully this exhaust isnt one of them.
Properly tuned and using the S&S map. The torque loss is insignificant. With either the 92" cams with advance gears, or S3 cams. You will be kicking over 90FtLb at 2500, and peak in the low hundreds starting around 3000
 

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So the S3 cams or 92" Cams with advance gears sounds like the way to go along with the S&S air cleaner. How hard are the cams to install on these bikes? Is there any applications for laptops you can download which enables a person to flash his own software?
 

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So the S3 cams or 92" Cams with advance gears sounds like the way to go along with the S&S air cleaner. How hard are the cams to install on these bikes? Is there any applications for laptops you can download which enables a person to flash his own software?
You are at the mercy of the dealer for the reflash. Cams are explained in the manual, look that over first to determine if it's in your skill level.
 

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My bike is a 2006. With JUST the S&S airbox and SlashNess pipes it made 93/105 to the tire. Torque loss? Negligible. About a dozen HP over a stage 1.

If it were me... and I was going to all the trouble of changing the cams, I'd get the VM-1 cams.

There is one advantage to the 92/5 cams. When people ask you what's been done to it, you can say "It's stock, just airbox and pipes" and you're telling the truth because you have OEM Victory cams. ;)
 

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VM1 cams are fine if you don't mind revving the bike, but IMHO they are too big for a stock motor '07. Others may argue the point, but that is just my opinion from having ridding both combo's.

I prefer to save $400 and keep the cam mild, rather than spend more money and have to downshift to get into the power.

Now if there was a compression bump....then the VM1's would shine.
 

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VM1 cams are fine if you don't mind revving the bike, but IMHO they are too big for a stock motor '07. Others may argue the point, but that is just my opinion from having ridding both combo's.

I prefer to save $400 and keep the cam mild, rather than spend more money and have to downshift to get into the power.

Now if there was a compression bump....then the VM1's would shine.
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VM1 cams are fine if you don't mind revving the bike, but IMHO they are too big for a stock motor '07. Others may argue the point, but that is just my opinion from having ridding both combo's.

I prefer to save $400 and keep the cam mild, rather than spend more money and have to downshift to get into the power.

Now if there was a compression bump....then the VM1's would shine.
What about vm-1's in an.08'?
 

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Alright, I've done many different combo's on that year and can truythfully say the best bang for the buck mod is S&S 'box, 92/5 cams, and advanced cam gears.
Now there are other combos that make more power, but if you want the most drivability, noticeabilty, and least amount of money spent this is it!
I recommend the 05 Hammer map, or an 05 S&S map, but no other fuel controller needed. $485 in parts plus labor.
Here is more detail and comments from several people whom I've done this mod for: http://forums.thevmc.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=100361&posts=35&start=1
I do the cams gears on an exchange basis for those that are interested.....
With that combo what are you putting down at the rear wheel?
 

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With that combo what are you putting down at the rear wheel?
Peak numbers will be pretty much the same, but the 2000-3000 RPM range will be higher, which is right where you notice it. That's why I get so much good feedback from the kit - even from guys that already had the S&S airbox.
 

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Peak numbers will be pretty much the same, but the 2000-3000 RPM range will be higher, which is right where you notice it. That's why I get so much good feedback from the kit - even from guys that already had the S&S airbox.
Do you have a dyno graph? What are the peak numbers?
 

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The discussion on the advanced cams are those advanced meaning timing? So then in addition to the slightly better cams thats where you get the extra performance. Unfortunately Iowa is along way from michigan.
 
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