So I need a bike for more two up riding and my 1200 sporty doesn't do the job. Road a Fat Boy for a couple days in Phoenix, loved it except for the lack of power. Really interested in the 1700 Kaw but after reading the blogs on that, quality seems to be an issue. Test road the Victory King Pin today, what a nice ride and good looks. Dealer was really cool told me to take it for a ride, he didn't even ask to see my license or anything. Just said take it for a ride you will like it. Not only did I like it, I loved it. Great suspension and great pulling away power. The dealer said that they don't have any in the shop because nothing goes wrong with them. How true is that? So far I haven't read anything on this forum that scares me. I like the looks of the vegas better than the kingpin but the dealer I went to didn't have any. I am going to ride to a different dealer after work tomorrow and see if they have any vegas's. It looks like the vegas is the kingpin but with different fendors? Hammer looks sharp too.