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Yes I am a brand new rider from Central Illinois. I presently ride a HD FLTRU, called a Road Glide Ultra, and own several other bikes. So where do we go next? I am looking seriously at the possibility of buying a Victory Vision Tour. It is not a major change from what I am already riding, although it does give me a George Jetson styling look for my possible future ride.Tell me what you each can to convince me that I should really make that move. Trivia like conventional bike styling will be meaningless to me. I am not unaware of traditional styling. In fact my FLTRU gives me great traditional styling but it has weaknesses that I simply cannot ignore.
 

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To Vision or not to vision, that is my present dilema

I am not yet a Victory rider, I know that is unusual here. What I presently am is a HD rider with lots of experience with "metric" bikes. I know that sounds weird here but so be it. I own a current FLTRU, a Harley at its best, but I cannot say that I am in love with that particular model. Instead look at it as a model that almost fits my riding style in many ways.
In reality I want to find a bike that I can use regardless of my needs. I am a tour rider by my own profile so that is the minimal requirement. Anything that adds to a touring profile is a good thing. In that category I have found only the Vision series as an alternative of bikes being offered by Victory. I strongly favor the Vision series of bikes.
 

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When we were looking to go from a Valkyrie Interstate to another bike we test rode several brands of motorcycles. BMW, Harley, Yamaha, Kawa, GL1800, Victory Cross Country, and the Vision. Rode all the bikes one and two up and took them out to curvy roads and Interstate speed to see how they handled.

I wanted a bike that handled well, had plenty of power, easy to do basic maintenance on, and was comfortable to ride. My wife was looking at did we have more room to pack our gear on and was comfortable. Out of all the bikes we rode, we narrowed it down to the two Victories and found a pristine 09 Vision. We've taken a few trips on the Vision and are happy with our choice.

Test ride a lot and chose the bike that best suits you.
 

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Oldman, Pop says nobody can make the decision but you and the best way is ride them. Even then, as you are no doubt aware, riding a bike is not the same as living with it.

Here's some of what I went through. I am not a metric guy. I am an American V-twin guy. Indian and Harley. When Victory rolled out the Vision I noticed. How could you not? Nothing else like it. I didn't drop what I was doing and cry out that I had to get me one but I did go to the local powersports dealership and check it out. Until then I had walked past the Victory corner of that dealership without a glance on my way to buy stuff for other Polaris products I owned.

A couple of years later I decided to broaden the stable on account of the Queens bad back. I wanted softer, and plusher out of the box and then I would squeeze more of that out of the choice I made. Rode the Vision. The geek in me couldn't stop playing with the windshield and I could stretch out but the Queen, old skool gal that she is, made it clear that the Vision is too far outside the box for her.

I couldn't get comfortable on a Wing or any metric we fiddled with for that matter and the Beemer is a washboard. I'm done giving the Motor Company any of my cash. They dissed my kind of rider long and hard in their marketing adventures in the 90's and the 21st century. Fine. It's a deal. You don't want me or my money, so be it.

So, back to square one. Well, all of that is history that happened before the Cross Country model. The Queen and I moved to Colorado and I left my machines home in NH except my Indian. Some scumbag decided he wanted it and he won. I found myself in the Rockies without a motorcycle in the garage. That had to get fixed.

Enter the Cross Country Tour, a motorcycle that did not exist when I had flirted with the Vision. Hell, it didn't exist as a model until 2012 but you could cobble one together out of a base Cross Country in 2011 if you kept throwing money at it buying add ons.

I still respect the Vision for what it is and how it rocked the motorcycling community. Love it or hate it, they all know it. To this day many riders hear Victory and all they think of is Vision. Too bad. They are missing a comprehensive lineup of heavyweights.

The Cross Country Tour softens that edgy look that the Vision codified. Some of of us old skoolers can cozy up to it easier than the Vision. It's actually more of a bagger than the Vision, if you measure by storage volume. That electric windshield on the Vision puts it in a separate category but otherwise, there's not a helluva lot of what you get buying a Vision that you won't get buying a Cross Country Tour.

Due to the recent vintage of the Tour there's not much of a used market where there are ample used Visions out there. The Vision has a checkered sales history and that has been reflected in the willingness of Vic and Vic dealers to deal when it comes time to nail down a price. I understand that they are a little less inclined to horsetrade on the Cross bikes due to their relative popularity so there's another thing to consider.

You can see that I'm leading you to consider a Tour while you consider a Vision. Granted, I made my decision. In fairness, the Wing hits it out of the park for passenger plush but the driver needs to be of a physical profile that some of us ain't, the Beemers are too much fun but as a full boat touring machine the compromises are beyond what I accept, the Triumph triple is awesome. Thing is, it and most metrics are bolt on tourers, not purpose built. You could say that about the Cross Country, that is, until you ride one.
 

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+1 on Dons post, when you do test ride make sure you log a few miles on it and/or a 2nd ride. The first thing I thought after I got on the road with my VV was "What have I done, I should have got the CCT"... Nope, was wrong, just took a few miles to get past the feel of the fixed fairing over fork mounted screen/batwing which I would think is fairly common. I had actually looked hard at the RoadGlide and thought I might go that path... Glad I didnt even thought I may buy one, some day.

The power plant/tranny SHOULD be the main selling point with low cost and ease of maintenance, plenty of info for you to search and read on that. The 2nd airfilter is a must, lower deflectors your call (I like them and the wind envelope they create) as I ride year round and almost ALL of my daily riding is highway to/from work. Im getting 38-44 avg fuel no matter how I ride, doesnt have all the chrome your Glide might BUT the electrics are on the money. I added the CB (will be updating that post soon) for about 1200 and while I could have just used my J&M, I REALLY like the intergration with the sound system. Comparing the saddle bags to my buddies GL1800's, I think its pretty comprable, trunk is got loads of room. I REALLY was displeased with the lighting of the back end of the bike however, with a little handy work and the forums (and about 50 bucks) you can fix that and/or throw on a 4710 controller and you are at GoldWing lighting equivelent.. lol.. Handling is UNBEATABLE IMHO! Electric windscreen absolutely a great option that is stock! I keep it lowered below line of sight as long as no one on back and it is great! I can only wonder how much better can it get by upgrading to a flip. GPS can be wired into audio so you don't have to buy the $850 Garmin but if you want an awsome GPS and plug and play do it. My neighbor has that model on his spyder, GREAT lil GPS.

My take; if you want touring comfort, V-Twin power/performance, feel like your riding on a light cruiser, and NOT own one of the bikes EVERYONE has then the Vision is for you. You will have HOURS of enjoyment talking about your bike every time you fuel up, mount up, walk up, or wake up it seems... lol If you got SPECIFIC questions, please post them. There are plenty of folks around here to answer and not just brag.
 

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Have you gone to the vision section and read about the bike. Click on forum above and scroll down.
Stop by your local dealer and find out when the demo truck will be there for you to test ride one.
 

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If you're on a Road Glide, you won't be happy with the instability of the Cross bikes, so don't bother. The Vision is the only frame mounted fairing bike that Vic makes, so that's the logical step.

I have ridden a couple of Visions and can say that nothing I've ever ridden felt as nice or comfortable. If it didn't look like a Winnebago from space, I'd own one right now.
 

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Bandit and Pop, I fully understand the difference between a frame mount and a "batwing" type fairing. The "batwing", which the cross country emulates, has absolutely no appeal for me. I will choose a frame mount every time, just as I did when I bought a metric with a Vetter IV fairing way back in 1981. I still own that bike today and it is not for sale. It sounds like many of you have had far better experiences with a Vision or another Victory than I have ever had with my "badass" HD FLTRU. That definitely helps me decide. A test ride will only tell me how the bike feels, not what to expect 1000 miles later. That is why I have been asking questions here.
For Pop, I have also looked at a BMW too, I presently own an old one, an R-60 from 1965, but I found both the 1200 and the 1600 were just too tall for me. I am vertically challenged, OK I am a short guy, and I could not reach the ground from either of those bikes when they were on the stand. The Vision allowed me to stand flat footed while on the seat. I just wish the weather was better that day but I do not ride on ice, not ever.
Bandit, the jetson styling does not bother me. I will never see it from the driver's seat.
 

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Vision!

Here is my story: I owned an XC for 2 years, took it in for service & the wrench managed to break the fuel nipple on the tank. The dealer apologized up & down, throws me a free shirt off the rack & gives me a loaner Vision for 3 days while my bike is down. I was warned 2 years ago don't ever ride one or you will want one. Like I told the dealer at the time, I don't want to look like George Jetson! Never did like the spaceship styling. Make a long story short, after a couple hundred miles on one, I am soldthumb up
Like I told him, coming off an XC, I felt like going from a Chevy to a Cadillac. I gets compliments every time I fuel up. Today, a guy comes up & says "Is that a work of art or a motorcycle?"
"Ride one & you'll own one......own one & you'll answer lot's of questions!"
 

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Oldman, I've got this same question in my head too. Part of me really likes the Vision part of me really likes the XC. My wife DOES NOT like the Vision the way I do. From what I've seen, the Vision is an awesome bike. It handles twisty roads a little better than the XC. The Vision & XC are both easy to do the basic maintenance on. Both are very reliable bikes that stay that way for quite some time.
My biggest concern with the Vision is the small side bags. Maybe it takes some getting used to, but they just look so damn small. My buddies Goldwing's side bags are small too, but don't look as small that those on the Vision.
I hear that you can take the rear trunk off of the Vision, but where do you get a cover plate? That'd be another issue I'd like to have a solution for if I get the Vision. I like the look of the Vision without the Trunk on it, but would definitely need it when on our summer touring trips.
 

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Oldman, I've got this same question in my head too. Part of me really likes the Vision part of me really likes the XC. My wife DOES NOT like the Vision the way I do. From what I've seen, the Vision is an awesome bike. It handles twisty roads a little better than the XC. The Vision & XC are both easy to do the basic maintenance on. Both are very reliable bikes that stay that way for quite some time.
My biggest concern with the Vision is the small side bags. Maybe it takes some getting used to, but they just look so damn small. My buddies Goldwing's side bags are small too, but don't look as small that those on the Vision.
I hear that you can take the rear trunk off of the Vision, but where do you get a cover plate? That'd be another issue I'd like to have a solution for if I get the Vision. I like the look of the Vision without the Trunk on it, but would definitely need it when on our summer touring trips.
I am going to ditch my trunk in the summer when I don't need the extra space. I will replace with the Vic rack & backrest combo. You can order a cover plate to match from Ma Vic when you take off the trunk. Check out this day bag for the rack:
http://cdnmedia.endeavorsuite.com/images/usedequipment/dcf6412b-8e8b-4368-bdae-89de26b9d274/showdisplay/c5d277dc-5783-4dc2-a164-d6be3c78e4e3.jpg?v=20121219132554
 

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I am going to ditch my trunk in the summer when I don't need the extra space. I will replace with the Vic rack & backrest combo. You can order a cover plate to match from Ma Vic when you take off the trunk. Check out this day bag for the rack:
http://cdnmedia.endeavorsuite.com/images/usedequipment/dcf6412b-8e8b-4368-bdae-89de26b9d274/showdisplay/c5d277dc-5783-4dc2-a164-d6be3c78e4e3.jpg?v=20121219132554
That is kinda cool... How will I ever convince the wife that the Vision would be better than the XC?
 

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Well almost sack time but thought I would add a couple things now that you tossed some questions. First here is a fairly good review I used deciding between the vision and road glide. Much like Bandit did, research almost took me down the glide path but in the end I think the engine and tranny on Vic is going to keep you cost wise very happy when you figure dollar per mlle after maintenance.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/10/9011/Motorcycle-Article/2011-Victory-Vision-Tour-vs-Road-Glide-Ultra.aspx

What happens after 1000 miles? Simple, change the oil yourself with only 4.5 quarts and the filter, check belt tension and battery terminals. Add star washers to battery and ride 5000 more miles. Stay on top of your tire and shock pressure, your performance will be worth the trouble. Install Lloydz 2nd filter for 90 bucks, and unhook the o2 sensors for about 7 more HP. Add LED brake light to the trunk for 40 bucks, change ol agin and ride another 5000. Now you got 11000, check tire wear, should be good for 5000 hopefully, change oil and ride it to 16000. Oh did you notice no shop service scheduled maintenance. You should be able to handle what little does pop up unless something goes wrong.

I like the electric wind screen a lot more than I thought. The wind management became more of a luxury than need as I have rarely worn chaps this winter down to 31 degrees. That says something there. I don't like the looks of the lower deflectors but like how they work. I really like the option to remove the trunk. The filler panel is available through the dealer I hear at about 160. Don't quote me now but I will find out. Trunk comes off with 1 person in 20 minutes or less. Easier to reinstall with two. I do NOT like loosing my CB when removing the trunk. See the CB thread I just posted. Saddlebags SEEM to be about the same as the Wing as far as I can see with my Wing owner buddies but are a little more narrow. Once I organized what I pack, I have plenty of room and easy access. As for the spaceship design, I like the curves and after modding my license plate I think the lines look much better. 6000 miles and my battery went. Only headache I had. 38-42 mpg no matter how I ride? Priceless! Plenty of well priced performance mods if you want to pep it up, drop the trunk and cruise then pop the trunk on and tour not killing your mpg.
Convincing the wife the Vision is better? Doubtful, most don't chance riding on the wild side!
A lot of folks buy HDs just to feel safe too buy being hidden in the pack....lol

Old man ! Hope this helps. Toss out some of your concerns so I quit guessing. LoL

Tim
 

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That is kinda cool... How will I ever convince the wife that the Vision would be better than the XC?
I must say, my wife is something special. I compare her to a good bottle of booze or a fine cigar......only gets better with age! I told her the XC would be my last bike(I am 55), then turn around & want a Vision & she says go for it. I have owned 10 motorcycles over 40 years, all the Jap brands + HD. The wife has ridden on several. After her first ride on the Vision, she tells me "that is the first motorcycle I've ridden on that I actually feel like I'm part of the bike, not just sitting on it!"
I do not take trips with her though. If I did, the added storage of the XCT would be mandatory :ltr:
My suggestion is find a dealer that rents Vic's & spend a day on both the XCT & Vision.
One more thing: I test rode a Road Glide & donned it the HD Ultra Cooker :mad: The Vic motor runs cooler than the HD thumb up
 

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All JOKING aside, I do agree with Jokerman and got a special lady as well. AFter about 18K on my TC, she poked her head in the garage one day to say something and I stood up and said "You know what we need out here?" What she said, I said "NEW VISION".. lol... She said if the price is right, get it. You ride it more than we do and you deserve it.. :) Love that gal! She liked it btw but then again thats coming off a TC so for her just the sheer drop in decibles was a treet.. heehehe
 

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I finally got in a short test ride today on an 08 Vision Tour.

I enjoyed the ride although I didn't go far on it. I arrived shortly before the dealer closed because it had been raining most of the day, so not much good riding weather.

There are no twisties near where I live so I had to use freeway on/off ramps as a substitute to try to get a feel for the handling and it handled well. Compared to what I have been riding, it gave me slightly better weather protection which was good at 45F but might not be so great at 95F. I already love the electric windshield, it let me test ride the way I would normally be riding, looking over it, not through it. In the past I have had to buy a bike and then contact Cee Baileys to get the proper height for me, typically about 2 inches less than standard height on any make of bike.

I did get reminded of the way all bikes, besides HD, have their turn signals set up, which felt very unnatural after using Harley signals for the last 4 years with their individual switches. We learn one thing and then need to adapt but life goes on. I started with a single lever turn signal arrangement 47 years ago and I am sure I can go back to it fairly quickly. One thing I did miss over and over was my heel shifter. Ever since my 1965 BMW, every bike I have owned has had a heel/toe shifter. I felt very awkward lifting that toe shifter to change gears but it is a low cost option to add one to the Vision.

The floorboards are nice and big and seem to sit a bit lower than on my HD. The seat felt a bit narrow to me but it might be those low floorboards making me drop my knees a bit and thus slide forward some onto the narrower part of the seat. I need to ride again and ride farther before I can sort out that feel. The drive train felt nice and solid and the instrumentation did what I expected it to do. No surprises with electrical is always a plus.

I did not get the time to ride 2 up because I had a conflict between my wife's club meeting and the dealer hours but in 2 weeks when she comes home from her mother's house we will get that ride in. By then I will know whether or not to bother getting her out on it.

My trade is not really as clean as I want it when I start bargaining, so that phase will have to wait until I get enough good weather to do a really good clean and wax job. I don't have an indoor space large enough for detailing a bike.
 

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I was all set to go XC and then reading, listening, googling I decided the Vision gives me all the bike I need. I brought it home today. Fairing takes a little getting used to but all in all great bike. Stock pipes suck. Planning on the Ness pipes but dealer did not have them in stock. thumb up
 

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Well I guess everyone has a story so here is mine. I had a 2008 Yamaha Royal Star Venture. Loved that bike. I loved the V-4, just wished it was fuel injected and not carburated. Lots of power and the transmission was so smooth and quiet. And I liked it because no one around here had one. It was either Harley's or Goldwing's. However I had always liked the Vision, even when it first came out. So back in October of last year, a Harley dealer close by took on the Victory line. So when I heard about this I told my wife that I wanted to go down and look at them and test ride one. I had ridden one before and I knew what to expect but she didn't. We road the Cross Coutry Tour and then the Vision. The whole time on the Vision I could hear my wife saying, "Wow! Wow!" Long story short, "We rode one, we bought one." Their ad rang true for us. That was on a Saturday and the following Monday we left for the Smoky Mountains.

I had said earlier that I loved the Venture, well I can honestly say I just thought I did because I didn't know any better or really have anything to compare it to. After an all day and into the night right to and through the Smoky's when we got to our hotel I asked my wife if she was tired. She looked at me kind of stunned and said, " I hadn't really thought about it until you mentioned it, but no I am not tired at all. I am not even sore." My wife acutally said that it was like sitting on our couch at home. Not many bikes a passenger will say that about. With the Venture we could not wait to get to a fuel stop and it wasn't just a fuel and go, it was a fuel and walk around and almost dread getting back on the bike. Not so with the Vision. We never dreaded getting back on after a fuel stop or after eating. We never dreaded getting back on after on overnight stay. We actually couldn't wait for the next day to get our ride started and enjoy the mountain scenery. We had ridden the Tail of the Dragon a few times on the Venture and couldn't wait to ride the Vision on it to see how it handled. I was not disappointed.

The Vision handles really well and the ride is unbelievable. I can't say enough about the ride. For my wife and I, trading for the Vision was the best thing we have done as far as motorcycles go. We have no regrets and can't wait for riding season to get here. And I have heard all of the George Jetson, straight out of the comic book comments. I have even heard a couple stories about the Bozo machine. Someone even has said that you could paint Bozo on the front and have plenty of room for his hair. All I can say is go head. I will take the Bozo on the front instead of a Monkey Butt any day of the week. I am having the last laugh!!!
 

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AZdave: make sure you get the lower air deflectors. They are the one accessory on a Vision that is an absolute must, especially around here when riding around town on hot days.

Ironman: My thoughts are much like yours. I actually had a Royal Star several years ago & although it was nice eye candy, found it was the most boring bike I ever rode. I actually got out of riding a couple years after I sold it. That motor just has no "soul" at all & on decel sounded like it was farting!
The Vision too me is like a lazy boy on 2 wheels.thumb up

Good luck to both of you & welcome to the "Visonista's".
 
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