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I have a buddy who has ridden a Vision since they came out. He loves the bike, never had a bad word to say about it. I guess his last straw was trying to order some parts and Polaris kept dragging their feet on when the stuff would even be available. Warranty parts....

Said when he was in California he found a bike meet where he tested the new K1600B. I didn't even know they were on the floor yet but a handful of dealers have them. He said his was priced at 24K, but he got a 1K off for being a BMW car owner.

Said that bike is incredibly quick with no lag at all and extremely comfortable. He got it sight unseen from a West Coast dealer and its in transit now. He said the power is better than his Vision which he has the goodies on, and said the bike is at least if not a touch better for comfort than the Vision.

He said you hit the throttle and this thing just jets with no lag at all and said he can corner with it better than the Vision, and it feels very light. He said it comes with all the goodies for the 24K, he asked about the MSRP being 19,900 and was told they are not shipping the bare bones one yet. He also said they wouldn't budge on the price either. He called a couple other dealers around the country who have one and they won't budge either. All the same package for 24K.

He was actually looking at the Ultra with the M8 and was not impressed enough to swap the Vision. But he said the bagger impressed him so much he couldn't not buy it. He said the braking and front end are better than the Vic and he can rip corners better. He came strictly from a lifetime of HD when the Vision hit the market and upgraded a few years back. Said he paid about 4k more for the BMW than he did for the Vision.

He also said with the engine add ons to the Vic to beef it up place it right there with the pricing and he has no upgrades to do so figures its a wash. He has never owned a BMW prior and said he can see the hype now. He has a 2015 Vision with 18K on it and found a buyer for 9,500 so he's only coughing up about 12K. Dealership offered him 7K in trade is all so he is selling it to one of his employees.

I told him when it gets here to call me so I can take a spin. I've been eyeing this bike for 9 months now, and having had BMW's I have to admit I am a bit excited to check this thing out. The 2018 models are supposed to be shipping at 19.900, I am not sure what you get for the extra 4K, he doesn't either lol. Heated grips, seats, power ABS brakes, all standard. But he has cash to burn so he just did it.

If it is everything he says it is I may be the next one screaming around on one. Its certainly going to give the Japs and HD a run for the money. It priced about what a Magnum or loaded CCT was at and less than a loaded Indian. Will be interesting for sure.
 

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It appears that the footbeds are more akin to highway pegs because it looks like you cannot shift the gears or press the rear brake when your feet are on the footbeds. To perform either of these routine tasks, you have to put your feet back to the footpegs which are below (practically behind) you and not at all a comfortable long-distance riding position. Does anyone know if these observations are correct?

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A friend is a certified BMW MC wrench and told me, if I get one, hope that anything that goes wrong does it during the warranty cuz there ain't no cheap repairs and they are needlessly complex.
Another friend works for a company that sells extended warranties to car and bike mfrs and dealers and sez H-D tops the list for warranty claims, guess which bike is in second place? BMW.
 

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Have two friends that have owned BMWs and based on their experience, they are NOT inexpensive bikes to own/maintain.

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A friend is a certified BMW MC wrench and told me, if I get one, hope that anything that goes wrong does it during the warranty cuz there ain't no cheap repairs and they are needlessly complex.
Another friend works for a company that sells extended warranties to car and bike mfrs and dealers and sez H-D tops the list for warranty claims, guess which bike is in second place? BMW.
I have had a few of them. My last bike was a Bagger from 2004. When they stopped making that style I stopped riding them. Like any dealer...they can get you good. However even with the complex electronics, the BMW's are easy to work on as I am concerned. Especially if you have the factory diagnostic and repair SW like I have...lol

Changing fluids and tires are as easier and even some easier than Vics. They pull off sideways like a car in the rear. ABS units are ungodly if they go out though. But they are on other bikes and cars too. Its the electronics that spook people. But to me that's second nature.

But hey...its his money, and he has plenty. Maintenance isn't a worry with that guy. He has a few HD's all older ones he keeps pristine for local jaunts and the Vic he had for longer runs. He is close to my size too, bit bigger actually so I will wait and see how it sits me.
 

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My local BMW dealer has a K1600B(Bagger) demo on hand. I have been planning to go ride it since the dealership announced they'd be getting one, I might even do it this weekend. Like I've said before, I will not be keeping this Vic forever, in four or five more seasons I'll be getting another bike. There are very few motorcycles that have the power, handling, comfort, touring ability and good looks to replace my Vic XC. The K1600B is one of them and I'm going to ride it as soon as possible.

Here's a detailed overview, if you're interested
 
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If you suffer from ensomnia the man doing that video is sure to put you to sleep. At the halfway point I had to fast forward till the end. I hope this BMW looks better in person because so far the still pictures and the video of it on the road don't do anything for me. The new Yamaha, yes sir, that has my interest. This K1600B, no thank you. I'm sure it's a delight to ride, but like the Vision I'm not the one this was made for.
 

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If you suffer from ensomnia the man doing that video is sure to put you to sleep. At the halfway point I had to fast forward till the end. I hope this BMW looks better in person because so far the still pictures and the video of it on the road don't do anything for me. The new Yamaha, yes sir, that has my interest. This K1600B, no thank you. I'm sure it's a delight to ride, but like the Vision I'm not the one this was made for.
Without a doubt I have my eye on the new Yamaha Transcontinental .....but I'm not going for a full luggaged, fully wrapped touring bike. I am hoping that Yamaha releases a stripped down "Bagger" version of this bike in the next few years. Anyway, with the new releases from Indian, BWM and Yamaha things are looking more promising when it does comes time to replace the Vic...
 

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If you suffer from ensomnia the man doing that video is sure to put you to sleep. At the halfway point I had to fast forward till the end. I hope this BMW looks better in person because so far the still pictures and the video of it on the road don't do anything for me. The new Yamaha, yes sir, that has my interest. This K1600B, no thank you. I'm sure it's a delight to ride, but like the Vision I'm not the one this was made for.
If I get one I will not be getting rid of the KP. That bike is way too fun to ride. I think the Beemer looks like a big black bulldog myself.

I almost went to look at a Guzzi Flying Fortress too until I saw one in person, so good point. BUT even from pics, if I had the choice of looks next to a Vision...I'd grab the BMW. I have not been on a BMW yet where I had cramped in feeling issues. But the CC is actually a great fit too and a great ride. I almost bought one before they dropped the line.

I was talking to a well known member recently from the other site who had his bike in the shop for 7 weeks on a warranty issue recently, got it back and something else went wrong. He traded it in. Was the same with the Vision buddy. Under warranty and in the shop for weeks waiting for parts. Even before they dropped the bikes, had it not been for Randys...it would have taken over 8 weeks to get a crank sensor on my bike. Polaris had NONE in stock this time last year and had no idea when they were getting more. That was a tad unnerving as they were still in business and that part is critical to the bike.

Now, HD and BMW release numbers of production, warranty info can be found etc. Polaris refuses to do that, so we have no real idea how many bikes actually went in for warranty over the 18 years. But my guess is....it may not be as low as some people make it out to be.

But that new Yammie is turning heads everywhere thats for sure. But unless my health turns, I have no plans on giving my Pin up. But I do like BMW's...and I still like Harleys. Just not willing to pay the high price for a bike that has so few USA parts on it.
 

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I was talking to a well known member recently from the other site who had his bike in the shop for 7 weeks on a warranty issue recently, got it back and something else went wrong. He traded it in. Was the same with the Vision buddy. Under warranty and in the shop for weeks waiting for parts. Even before they dropped the bikes, had it not been for Randys...it would have taken over 8 weeks to get a crank sensor on my bike. Polaris had NONE in stock this time last year and had no idea when they were getting more. That was a tad unnerving as they were still in business and that part is critical to the bike.
This is every Victory owners nightmare right now, even for those that do their own work. Victory never had a great parts chain when they were in business, with the closing its going to be a real pain in the ass. The worst case scenario is, what happens if a Victory has a serious break down while out touring, maybe many hundreds of miles from home base :| Sparse parts and sparser dealers.... this could be a major problem. As good as mine runs, when I'm out touring its with my finger-crossed, just hoping it stays rock solid until I'm done with it.
 

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This is every Victory owners nightmare right now, even for those that do their own work. Victory never had a great parts chain when they were in business, with the closing its going to be a real pain in the ass. The worst case scenario is, what happens if a Victory has a serious break down while out touring, maybe many hundreds of miles from home base :| Sparse parts and sparser dealers.... this could be a major problem. As good as mine runs, when I'm out touring its with my finger-crossed, just hoping it stays rock solid until I'm done with it.
Good points PaiN .
 
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This is every Victory owners nightmare right now, even for those that do their own work. Victory never had a great parts chain when they were in business, with the closing its going to be a real pain in the ass. The worst case scenario is, what happens if a Victory has a serious break down while out touring, maybe many hundreds of miles from home base :| Sparse parts and sparser dealers.... this could be a major problem. As good as mine runs, when I'm out touring its with my finger-crossed, just hoping it stays rock solid until I'm done with it.
My sentiments exactly. Sorta wish that new Yamaha Venture would have been on the market a couple years ago. For me, the thrill is perty much gone, knowing I'm riding a beautiful machine that has no value or dealer network for support. Was fun while it lasted. :|
 
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Good looking bike and it must fly with 160 horse
 

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My sentiments exactly. Sorta wish that new Yamaha Venture would have been on the market a couple years ago. For me, the thrill is perty much gone, knowing I'm riding a beautiful machine that has no value or dealer network for support. Was fun while it lasted. :|

A 2014 blue/silver CCT is indeed a beautiful motorcycle. Depending on what you'd be trading for and the particular condition of your CCT, it's likely worth between $9,500 and $11,500. Not much different really when selling it yourself. If your CCT is like nearly all the others, it can and very likely will outlast your entire riding career. Barring an accident of course. If my CCT goes down in an accident, I'd very likely get another CCT to replace it. I only have 52K miles on mine so I figure it's good a long time to come. That's some of the reasoning I use when I want to modify it a bit more.

I have a hydraulic clutch kit, a reverse kit and the extreme audio saddlebag kit all waiting to be installed yet. So I'm not done modifying yet.

I'll very likely continue to buy extra spare parts as I see them come up at a good price. I typically look for them after reading several posts where an item has caused an issue.

For me and my needs, the CCT continues to do everything I've ever asked it to do exceptionally well.

Don't lose heart, all will be well. The engineers and designers did a very good job designing the major components of these bikes. Especially the Cross bikes.

Even the original Honda Valkyrie bikes (1500) continue to have a very active owners group. And yes, spare parts are readily available. OEM accessories, not so much.
 
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I have owned several BMW's, beginning in 1973 with an R/75 to the last being a 2005 K120LT and while it was a fine piece of engineering and great handling, it was most difficult and expensive to maintain and fix if it came to taking into a dealer. Owning a BMW while high in technology and sophistication makes a argument for the 14 HD's I owned with "Atleast I can work on it and there is a ton of dealer support and parts" I sold my LT while it still had some warranty on it as I did not want to deal with the *Final drive failure issue" that BMW never copped to, but all the LT owners around me in Spokane had suffered a $3000 and 3 month fix. My CCT has all the best features of my HD's, LT and Honda goldwing rolled into one MC. There is not a lot to go wrong on this bike. Not worried about finding parts as being a former multiple Guzzi and airhead BMW owner I know my way around the "net for parts. No bike is perfect and I like the BMW K1600 but it won't replace my CCT anytime soon. Ya pays ya money and takes ya chances.... :^)
 

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I am completely enamored with the XCT. No plans to sell or trade. Just a little disheartened about the demise of the brand. A handful of members here have big miles on their bikes with no malfunctions. Those are rolling testimonials to the engineering of the machine. On the other hand, such as another thread about a failed fuel pump on a near new bike, that type of failure tends to chip away at the confidence instilled by the others who have wracked up 100k-plus miles with nary a hiccup.

I rode a Valkyrie for 80K miles before a chain reaction cluster took her out of the game. Sold many parts and accessories to folks on the aforementioned forum. Still have a few bits that need a good home. Including a Corbin seat. Waited for the second generation Valk to hit the streets. The new Valk was not for me.

The Vic was love at first site. Just too bad the brand never caught on - and couldn't hang on. A positive note about the XCT, I have no problem finding it when parked and surrounded in a sea of other bikes. I've yet to cross paths with another blue/silver Vic. :ride:
 
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This is every Victory owners nightmare right now, even for those that do their own work. Victory never had a great parts chain when they were in business, with the closing its going to be a real pain in the ass. The worst case scenario is, what happens if a Victory has a serious break down while out touring, maybe many hundreds of miles from home base :| Sparse parts and sparser dealers.... this could be a major problem. As good as mine runs, when I'm out touring its with my finger-crossed, just hoping it stays rock solid until I'm done with it.
I'm about to do a 2500+ mile ride and yes it worries me also. I don't like that at all.
 
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OK. Busters bike arrived 2 days ago. He already had the 500 mile oil change done! He took it from here to to Wisconsin Dells and flew up to Door County and came back with over 800 miles on it!

So...I didn't actually outright ask him if I could ride it...but he knows me. He said 'lets run to the border and back" which is 21 miles 1 way. He took my Pin.

First look, the engine looks strange, but the bike is longer wheel base than I anticipated. I'm a hair under 6'3", he is about a hair under 6'4". The reason the bike ran over the 1,900 mark is because they already added the DTC throttle modes, shift assist pro, reverse assist, adaptive headlights, audio system, and floorboards. So thats what you get for 4K.

I had to damn near study a manual to see what it all has but this bike is LOADED! The seat has a low, medium, tall adjustable settings that was already set for tall. The dampening settings are really cool. 4 modes are for city highway sport etc that bring it up or down about an inch.

So the sitting position like a lot of BMW's is upright. It was actually pretty damn good and comfortable.

Now ....hit the throttle and you are just GONE! It reminds me of my Benz e550, almost like an electric car with direct drive. And the bastard keeps going. The front end is perfection on this bike. Seriously not only does it dampen constantly to the road levels and speed, but it runs on rails through the corners. Its about 100 lbs. heavier than my Pin but man it feels light and nimble.

That electric windscreen is great too. He said he ordered it with a screen from a K1600GT because its taller, but it did the trick. Stock seat seems a tad iffy but after it breaks in better or a aftermarket seat comes along I can't speak for long rides. He said he hits about 4 hours and can feel a point or two that could be more comfy.

Hitting the Rte 12 entrance on the border this thing took off so damn fast and I hit over 110 so quick it was amazing. He kept a fair pace with the Pin but even with all my mods this bike smoked it. I hate to admit it but it did.

You can really feel that 160 HP too with the torque. I hate to say it but as fast as the Pin is...this thing got my bike from every light. The difference between the Vic 106 beefed out and this are 2 different worlds. Cannot compare them at all. Maybe with a Vision or CCT but way different.

My 1st ride on a CCT damn near had me except back then the dealer wouldn't drop an extra 1,500 on the price so I left it. Was a matter of principal to me on trade values etc, and I didn't care for the Vegas or Magnum ride and handling.

Anyway this bike is a serious game changer. The stereo is a little weak for higher speeds even though this bike is quiet as hell.

The brakes...nothing compares to a BMW power linked ABS system. You could fart these bikes to a stop if the lever was behind the seat.

Transmission is smooth as silk, unbelievable smooth. Coupled with the entire package, this bike is gonna be a smash. As much as I LOVE my Pin, this is an entirely different world.

This bike has more gadgets and technology than I could remember or name. All I can say is...it fits taller riders fine with the seat adjustments and mode adjustments. Clutch is easy to pull and adjustable easily.

I had a hard time handing it back but I was lucky to get on it for close to 90 miles total both highway and local roads.

I have to tell you this bike is a serious contender to anything out there in its class. Japanese, HD, you name it...for the money I cannot find anything this versatile and fun in its class. It outguns and out handles the 50K HD Ultra, the CCT ( as much as I really like that ride ) all seem a decade behind in technology and handling. However, getting back on my Pin was no disappointment for what it is.

Though it did feel a little less powerful and bulky and less refined than it did before I rode that BMW. But it came back to me as I slapped a few more miles on it. For its class of bike the Pin cannot be beaten in my book for a cruiser.

Freakin unbelievable scoot. Now I have to get one. No sh!t. Gonna wait until after the New Year when more come out so I don't have to scour the nation to have one shipped like Buster did. But hot damn that machine is incredible. Comes with a 3 year 36K full warranty with towing included for free to the nearest dealership. Which means if it craps the bed in Death Valley...they will come get it.

All I can say is WOW. If you like loud though this bike isn't for you. But if you tour and ride a lot you may wanna go test one. Warning you though...its one damned addicting ride.
 

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Second on this thing today.....25 miles. Hit some rain this afternoon, adjusted the windscreen and barely got wet until i slowed or stopped.

I can now see the basis for this lawsuit...lol

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/calif-man-sues-bmw-for-persistent-erection/

Simply amazing machine. Buddy said no more free rides lol, he said just get one. Bastard...��

The take off and acceleration is just smooth. Comfortable and loaded with more options than i can list.

Took a newer ultra with the m8 out and it felt like a dog, and the suspension not even close, although it shifts very nice. Higher base price as the BMW with the m8, not even in the same league.

I've never ridden a Vision but this guy says it outperforms it in every way. I loved the CCT but this bike makes it seem older and bulkier. When I looked at the CCT last year the dealer was starting them at the same base cost of the K1600B. I'm impressed enough with it that I have two local dealers on notice to let me know after New Years what is headed in and what may be in stock from this year. But they told me orders ate pumping in after a series of demo rides, not to expect leftovers. But...I've been lucky before!
 

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I stopped by a BMW Mo-tard ;) dealer, Max BMW, yesterday to check out the "B". As is typical, I was there for 25mins, half that time I was talking with another guy who popped in to check the bike out.....Both of us left without so much as getting an acknowledgement from a sales person....(I don't know what's worse, this or going to an HD dealer and having someone up your ass even before you get through the door.... :rolleyes: )
Anyway, the K1600B is a beastie of its own kind....Sitting on it and hearing run, it does not have that American "bagger" feel, not even close. It feels, looks and sounds like a big, very comfortable sport bike....Its not a cruiser, if that's what BMW was after they failed by a long shot. That said I'm sure its incredible to ride. I really would have liked too, but after a 1/2 hour of waiting, I got out of there. For me, the "B" is not totally off my list, but when I am finally ready to buy something else I'd have to be in another mind-set to go for a bike like this.
 
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