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Well I have come down to three choices. the biggest differences between the HD and Vic ALL have their pluses and minuses. Trying to make a decision. Both are approx $6000 and my bike.

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Or a private sale (requiring me to sell my bike privately) of a 2011 King Pin with about 7K and Champion matching Hard Bags.

or this 2004 FLRSI with 3500 miles Back rest rack and stock seat are the only extras. Engine has not been messed with. Owned by a 70 year old. Consignement dealer wants $6000 and my bike 07 V Star 1300 Pic below.

Pluses for the Victory. Its an "American Metric" . Maintenance wise. One hole oil change. Stronger engine, Late model. Local PD just went to all Victorys. Service should not be an issue

Minuses. I don't like body painted hard bags. much prefer leather covered. Don't want body work when I scrape them up or have to worry about that. Trade in is ugly like metrics and street sales are not as easy as Harleys. Harley sells itself emotionally. Victory has to be sold. Fork maintenance is expensive (like a metric) But belts are easy. Local Dealership is struggling and may not be around in 4 years.and it seems every part has to be ordered and can take weeks. Basically I am already riding a Victory type motorcycle.

Pluses for Harley. Its a "harley "gwatdammm Davidson" for better or worse that is powerful. Parts are readily available and there are choices and the bike can be opened up easily. Many choices of mechanics with a long history of working on them. Some will come to your house. in my case a 30 year Harley mechanic has a shop a mile away. There seems to be a Harley boutique or independent shop every 50 miles. Trade in is awful but retail is higher and more buyers. AS the economy improves more people will want to be seen on a Harley. Making resale easier than any other bike. $12,000 for a ten year old Road king Custom is not uncommon. most have low miles. A $12,000 new Dyna will sell for $8000 4 years later easily and it will likely have <10,000 miles. There is a bottom stop to used prices on the street, Bags can be opened with one hand at a light.

Minuses. They are more expensive. Yes one has to deal with Cam tensioners on pre 07s early and the upgrade with the Hicap SE oil pump can cost $1400. But it can be done in an afternoon at home for $500. They are slugs and run hot. Not exactly a performance machine. They are cruisers. One must STUDY the motor to understand what to look for and what needs to be done if their is an issue. Will save a lot of headaches being informed. I know nothing about my Yamaha except the belt costs $450 and another $800 to install. It's an old design. That has to be accepted. THREE hole fluid changes. at 5K 10K and 20K. MOst change them all at 5K.
Engines IMO should not be built past a Stage I the most issues come with people messing with the motors but not strengthening the entire drive train causing major issues in the trans and primary. Just buy the performance stock and replace weak parts on the older bikes.

Weak areas on the bike I am looking at , Cam tensioners, Compensators, Cam bearings, oil pump. Stator location. ALL of these issues can be taken care of at one time under one cover. The worst thing HD did was put the Stator inside the compensator assy. Victory has it outside.

All that said I ride about 3-4K a year anymore. So I can buy a Harley and not worry too much about it. The 3600 mile 04 will likely be gone before i have 20K on it. THAT is the ONLY reason I am even considering a Harley.

The Victory dealership is miles away and does mostly custom work. Not too many Independents (or small dealers) have stock commonly needed parts.

So my better sense says keep the Yamaha. Its done and most like a Victory except for performance. My riding habits and emotion says spend the $6K and get the HD. If I don't like it It will sell far easier.

The other thing is most people KNOW Yamaha, Honda, Harley. People are still perplexed when i say I am thinking about buying a Victory, It's like what's that?

Like it or not we wear our bikes as well as ride them. Vision riders cannot get away from that. LOL So emotions play into the equation.

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The HD with low miles. Stock seat and back rest/Rack is available from owner.in the deal



and a member's bike here who is selling an 11 King Pin is in the mix but that bike I have to spend about $1000 on out the gate Engine guards, Shield $300, Passing lamps. making that bike at least $10,000. Trade value on that is around $7500. He has some nice painted Hardbags but I prefer leather coated so i would have to sell them and spend another $300 for the bags I would choose IF I got $300 for his.

From a if i don;t like it stand point the Harley will be the easiest to sell in the Fall around here befoe Bike Week and lose maybe $1000.

Best looking bike is the XR. No doubt But those backs are like fenders and can be scratched and look like ass easily. I am sure Vicotry paint is not cheap. The bags certainly aren't
 

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Of course, I'd be partial to the XR as I have one and it works so well for me. That Lock & Ride rack and back rest is worth a grand by itself and is a great feature. Its off for solo riding and on for 2 up and/or schlepping stuff. The removable windshield is nice in hot weather. I don't think I need to go on about comfort, handling and huge removable cases cuz you know all that. Good luck with whatever decision you make and let us know what you decide.
 

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Like Ricz I am partial to the XR and that is not a bad price on it if you can get it out the door (not counting tax, tag, title) for that price. As far as bags go you can always find somebody on here or the other vic sites that will trade their leather bags for you painted. I am not a HD hater and I really like the looks of the HD you posted. Your yammy is nice to so good luck on what you choose.
 

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Depends on who you are and what your needs are. If you want a bike that looks good in the garage, and when your friends visit they'll know it's a Harley, then the 2004 FLRSI is the winner.

If you actually ride the bike and care for how it rides, its reliability, handling, power, then the 2011 XR is the clear choice.

When I got my XR, it was down to a Road King or the XR, but the Road King fell short in all the categories I cared about, so for me, the XR was the best fit.

I am not too crazy about educating others on what Victory is, so when I get asked what a Victory is, if I am not in a chatty mood I'll simply reply "look it up." ;)
 

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Ride the XR. You absolutely need to. You are wanting to make a well informed decision, but you won't without riding it.

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I'm biased towards the CCT or the CC as that's how I voted with my wallet. Ride One and You'll Own One is more than an ad campaign slogan, it's the simple truth.

No way I'd pay that much for the H-D, but again, I'm CCT/CC biased. I don't have anything against H-D more than thinking they're just way too many of them on the roads to the point I hardly notice them anymore.
 

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Thanks guys. I completely understand the local bias on a Victory forum but from a price value standpoint I learned a few things. That back rack is $1000? I know Vic accessories are expensive.(looked up passenger floor baords) But YIKES!! I would sell it except for (look at my Yammy) I use the rack. HD has one as well Not on the bike though.

If I was choosing struictly a riding bike becasue i will be chewing up touring miles and weekend 600 mile rides to nowhere I would not even be asking. The Vic wins. Or a Stratoliner. I Would never consider any Harley as a long distance high mileage reliable bike. Case close.

But since I don't put more than 3k a year on my bike (less on my Tacoma) I thought the Harley may be a better value as a sale down the road in three years with 12K miles. Whereas the Vic may be worth far less than the $11K from what I am seeing on 5 year old Vics anyway.

So I am thinking financial. The social benefits are in the Harley camp. I get that. It is what it is.

But the poster who said I have to ride one is right. I am spending about $600 on the Yamaha, tires,new clutch cable, Valve check, Installing progressive springs, I had laying around for two years and never put in. Battery. Just in case I both bikes sell before I make a move and to give the buyer of mine a great bike they don't have to worry about.

So Hopefully my tires will come in and I can take the three hour ride to see and ride that Vic and see what they offer for mine when they see it. They can talk all they want on the phone. If the difference is less than $5500 I will ride it home. If they offer $4500 for mine I will enjoy the ride and buy the Harley. If my bike sells in the mean time I will be in a much better position on the third King Pin option.

Victory and Yamaha are far far better bikes. no one will (or should) dispute that. But when it's time to sell, Harley will go first and for the most $$. CRAZY but it is what it is. All that 110 year "magic" "soul" "lifestyle" whatever...oh and "Tradition and Heritage" is a powerful force to the majority of cruiser riders.

For the fifth straight year in 2012, Harley was the number one seller of new street motorcycles of all sizes to each age grouping in the US. Experiencing double-digit market share gains from 2008-2012.

BUT every Victory sold is a Harley not sold IMO New or used and that's where I am ironically. Victory is making Harley build a better bike and when the Indian arrives..That will be fun to watch.
 

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...But since I don't put more than 3k a year on my bike (less on my Tacoma) I thought the Harley may be a better value as a sale down the road in three years with 12K miles. Whereas the Vic may be worth far less than the $11K from what I am seeing on 5 year old Vics anyway.

So I am thinking financial. The social benefits are in the Harley camp. I get that. It is what it is.
So you're a poser who hardly rides, but is mostly interested in which motorcycle investment would lose him the least amount? I think a Harley would be the best fit for you. cheers
 

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If I were after a long miles bike there's no comparison just by inspection and sitting on one the XR is bar none the way to go, with a stratoliner deluxe second, then a Harley. Thank God for choices.

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You have an excellent bike for what you plan to do. The 1300 is a kick ass take no prisoners bike. Trading for a HD would be a pure emotional decision that isn't a good one IMHO. I owned a 1300 for 3 years before I made the mistake of buying a Goldwing. Switched to the Vision because of the touring we do. I still have very fond memories of the 1300. cheers
 

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So you're a poser who hardly rides, but is mostly interested in which motorcycle investment would lose him the least amount? I think a Harley would be the best fit for you. cheers
Yeah My long distance riding days were over when I moved from Las Vegas to SC. I will let the poser comment go because every one who chooses a V Twin cruiser are "wearing" their bikes to a greater extent than someone who tours on an FJR or ST1300. Victory's Vision Styling is more than proof of that. They design "Look at me bikes" like everyone else. Harley does not own the monopoly on that even though they feed the beast.

I learned from the Yamaha to pay more attention to the financial end of things. ANY bike will get me from A-Z. Which is the best value when I get bored with it? However, I also learned certain bikes are great buys because they don't hold their value. Including Yamaha and Victory.
 

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You have an excellent bike for what you plan to do. The 1300 is a kick ass take no prisoners bike. Trading for a HD would be a pure emotional decision that isn't a good one IMHO. I owned a 1300 for 3 years before I made the mistake of buying a Goldwing. Switched to the Vision because of the touring we do. I still have very fond memories of the 1300. cheers
Becasue of my bike I have not pulled the trigger on anything. I am glad I am not riding a VLX or V Star 650. No doubt my bike raised the bar.

There is no logical reason to want to switch out except for I have had it longer than any bike I ever owned and I am bored with it. Purely emotional whether Victory or Harley. Want to try something different in a V Twin cruiser. Had Harley FXR a long time ago. Had a Gold Wing as well when they were 1000ccs and naked.
Wouldn't touch a Dyna. or really any HD but the RK Custom. I just like the bike. The ride feels (and can sound) like an old heavy loud 68 Camaro. Sloppy and Visceral compared to my Yamaha. Not as refined as a 2012 Camaro THAT would be the Victory. The Vision is in it's own class.

Personally I have no desire for a bike with a "dashboard" It doesn't feel right. But the biggest sellers are those more car like with dashboards and radios and tons of storage and even trunks. Which eliminates most baggers, I just want a motorcycle shield and a set of bars and one gauge.

If that Vic is still available next week I will take a ride up there and test ride it. The local dealer is nice enough but I won't buy a Victory new so I don't want to waste their time with a test ride.
 

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Go to the dealer and test ride. If you really like it and then go buy the used one, you'll tell people how great your Victory is and they'll go to your local dealer to buy. Their time, consequently, will not have been wasted since that small investment in letting you ride is cheap advertising.

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After reading some more posts then I would say keep what you got. If you are worried about the resale value of a motorcycle then you should definitely keep what you got if it runs fine. Motorcycles are toys, any bike can be used for touring, and there are plenty of HD's out there that run like a top and never have problems.
 

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After reading some more posts then I would say keep what you got. If you are worried about the resale value of a motorcycle then you should definitely keep what you got if it runs fine. Motorcycles are toys, any bike can be used for touring, and there are plenty of HD's out there that run like a top and never have problems.
If I wanted to keep what I have I would not be looking at other bikes. It's not a wife. :D I have to keep an eye on resale because I switch often than most I suppose. I have never had a bike over 30K, I kept the Yamaha for five years to lower the cost per month to $100. IT has 14K. I don't chew up as many miles here.
That is perfect for a Harley where miles more than anything else hurts resale. Every other bike is hurt by age, There will always be someone out there who will pay $7000 for a 12 year old Harley. These are proplr who HAVE to have a Harley. No one HAS to have a Yamaha. or Triumph, or Victory. But the "I got a Harley" is powerful and its the best selling bike in the US. Logically one should buy what one get easily get rid of at a decent price. That's why I own a Tacoma TRD and the wife drives a RAV 4. They hold their values.

I am looking at mid 2000 Harleys with <4000 miles to keep costs low as well as experience the HD experience again in all its coughing and belching glory.

. My bikes before the Yamaha Shadow VT1100s cost me hardly anything a month . My FXR was ridden for free because of the Harley bubble in the Sold it to a Swedish guy for what I paid for it who shipped it overseas. My used 8 year old CBR900C was purchased for $1200 back in the late 80's and sold for $600 when I bought an FXR and rode that practically free.

The Yamaha is the only bike I ever bought new and threw another $4000 in. Had to keep it to amortize the cost. Won't do that again. If I can buy a $17,000 2011 Victory for less than 11K with 3500 miles and accessorized like I would I know I would lose more than if i bought the 04 Road King for the same money with the same miles. That is my dilemma. The Vic is a better bike but more like what I have.

I have always been this way and have not had car payments or house payments since I was 45. Sold into bubbles bought when out of favor . Even moved across the country to take advantage of lower cost of living after selling into a housing bubble in the 80's in CA and 2006 in Las Vegas. I try to manage my own destiny and try not allow others to determine my fate. In life and on my bike. The natural causes are enough to deal with. cheers
 

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Depends on who you are and what your needs are. If you want a bike that looks good in the garage, and when your friends visit they'll know it's a Harley, then the 2004 FLRSI is the winner.

If you actually ride the bike and care for how it rides, its reliability, handling, power, then the 2011 XR is the clear choice.

When I got my XR, it was down to a Road King or the XR, but the Road King fell short in all the categories I cared about, so for me, the XR was the best fit.

I am not too crazy about educating others on what Victory is, so when I get asked what a Victory is, if I am not in a chatty mood I'll simply reply "look it up." ;)
Agree with everything except I ended up on a Hard Ball instead. One thing you did not state was your size. If you over 5'9 the ergonomics and comfort level on the Victory is ten fold over the Harley.

I don't think the dealer is a issue, Victory's like the Metric you own don't require a actually Victory dealership to work on. They are very wrench friendly and most things can be done by yourself and when you do need a mechanic a local shop can get what you need done.
 

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oooh ouch!!!
Not really....... he is right and maybe even has opened my eyes to what is the best bike for me. Its a given many if not all non MOCO cruiser riders wear their bikes, customize them, make them scream louder for attention, add this shiny or black thing or that, , live in fear of every scratch , have tooth brushes in their wash lockers, and that makes them posers who ride farther with more reliability. So that is not an ouch. It is what it is. Mst have not accepted that yet.

The difference is if I buy a Harley no one will ask me..."What is that?" Who makes it? ...Oh thats a Victory" "Who makes it?" Oh Polaris...Who are they? like Hysong? OH NO They are the premier snowmobile and ATV company....but it's more American than a Harley, slick and fast as snot and reliable.(had better be with the vast dealer network and immediate parts support) ..

Last question after all that.........."So why didn't you buy a Harley?" "Weeeeeelllll"......and all the answers will sound like excuses.



I don't think the dealer is a issue, Victory's like the Metric you own don't require a actually Victory dealership to work on. They are very wrench friendly and most things can be done by yourself and when you do need a mechanic a local shop can get what you need done.
Which is great except for those who have those long Warranties and want to use them away from home or at home if the nearest dealership is 100 miles away.
 

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Before you purchase that Harley, I'll suggest you test ride it. Wide beach bars and minimun suspension travel make a different ride. If you like that...go for it. At least you'll know.
 

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I've never bought a bike based on how much I think I can sell it for, but I suppose if you know you'll get rid of it in just a few years then you have to take that into account?? I don't know, that just seems strange to me. I had a Harley Electra Glide in my garage alongside my XC for 6+ months and the Harley never got ridden so I sold it. It handled fine I guess, but it was cramped! And I'm only 6'1".

If you haven't ridden a XR yet, go do it. I think you'll really love it, and who knows, it may just change your mind about getting rid of it so soon. You shouldn't have to do much to it besides change the oil, really. They don't break down.

I don't know, I want to say get the Vic, but it sounds like you really want a Harley, so..........
 
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