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So today the local dealer had a demo of a few of his own bikes. I wanted to see his Judge too. I keep trying to get my Goldwing buddy to make the leap. Today he rode an XCT and I rode a High Ball and a Kingpin.

The ride was on back roads ridden at mostly under 50 mph. I rode the High Ball first. The bike had the spunky feel I like in the Vic cruisers. The apes felt ridiculous at low speed, but once going at the lower back road speeds they were okay. The guy leading that ride was very slow so I didn't corner it very hard, but I still was no fan of the fly swatter countersteering method. At a stop, I noticed that the bike shuddered kinda like a Harley, but not nearly as hard. I thought that was kinda cool and I hadn't noticed that on any other Victories.

Next, I rode the Kingpin and a new leader rode the High Ball. This guy rode faster and we actually got out on the highway (so that my friend could get a feel for the XCT at speed). From the moment I sat on the Pin I was happy as a clam. I've ridden Kingpins several times and if my wife didn't frequently ride with me, that's probably the bike I'd own. Anyway, the Kingpin's suspension was a huge improvement from the High Ball. It's not that the High Ball was intolerable, just that the Kingpin is that much more plush and composed. I did grind a floorboard on the Pin and it does not have near the ground clearance of the Cross bikes. Still, I reckon it would be very good once I got some of the superficial aluminum worn off the bottom of those boards.

I talked with the group leader afterward and he told me he had a Kingpin and really liked it. He thought the High Ball was kinda fun for low speed riding, but he didn't think much of it on the highway.

Anyway, this brings me back to the Judge. I kinda dig the sporty new Vic and didn't even find the bar reach that awful, but man did they base it on the wrong bike. Vic REALLY needs to consider equipping the Judge with the Kingpin road isolators. That bike is too sporty and costs too much not to have them.
 

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I just got home from demo days at Tri- City in Centerville UT and can attest to a lot of what saddlebag is saying. My comparison is pretty close to his and I dealt with the same slow leader / fast leader issue. Here's what I thought:

Cross Country - Tried it to see how the ABS worked.
Ride great, handling great, power good, wind mgmt not so good.

Cross Roads - Tried it for the ABS and because it didn't have highway bars.
Ride great, handling great, power good, wind mgmt was same as mine with forged bars

Judge (rode twice)
Ride good, handling good but ground peg feelers on every turn (wore off 3/8"), power great

Hammer
Ride good, handling good but hit pegs ocassionally, power great

Jackpot
Ride good, handling ok in city and followed groves on highway, power great

Vegas
Same as jackpot but didn't have to push through turns, power great

High Ball
Same as Vegas but better n highway, power great


I found the Jackpot the most comfortable but if I owned it I wouldn't spend much time on the highway. So now I can honestly say I'm glad I picked my XR because it does everything the others bikes do but it does all of them a little better.
 

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I ride solo 99% of the time. I looked at the kingpin but I'm not a floorboard guy. Once I found out that the vegas foot controls would bolt right on, I rode the vegas hammer, and kingpin back to back. No contest. The Kingpin is the handler. Other cruisers WISH they were as capable as the Kingpin is. The chassis on this bike is a weapon.
 

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I would own the Kingpin if I didn't ride two up so much. I just liked the way the Cross roads felt two up, loved the large saddlebags, and loved the styling.

I'm thinking about a earlier used Kingpin as a second bike in the future, or a ZX14 but I have a little bit to decide.
 
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