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Instead of Government ordered quarantine at home for all and bailouts for those politically connected I'm for testing on the Korea model. Why force the truly sick home to infect their families for two weeks, because they have no way of getting tested to see if they have the Corona virus or just the flu??

The government should do everything possible to get regulations out of the way (CDC,FDA) so that private drive up testing can be established here in major cities and manufacturing centers.

There is money in testing and the private sector will respond if the government clears the path. They will do it in a timely manner since competition will be fierce for the $$$. He who best serves his customers will get the most customer dollars baring government interfence.

As I understand what is being done in S Korea, if you are feeling ill you call your doctor with your symptoms. If he thinks there is a need he authorizes you to go to a privately run drive up testing facility where you sit in your car get swabbed. Then you go home and self isolate while waiting for the results. Your later called and instructed if you need to be quarantined or you just have the flu. If your just sick with the crud your free to work or carry on as you feel fit. That is how it should work here too.


Some South Korean manufactures have shut down plants after a few of their people tested positive. It's in their own best interest to not wipe out their workforce. Probably, once they are sure they can carry on they will.
Other plants have shuttered because they have no parts as china's forced shut down meant they have already run out of parts. It's not a perfect solution.
I think it's better than massive unemployement, a proven killer.
 

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Article on why the private sector hasn't jumped in to supply much needed surgical masks.

 

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Don't know if this is old new or not but the good news is
Trump was right. Second French study show that anti malaria drug and Azithromycin to be an effective treatment of corona virus.
 

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Them's good eatin" :)
 

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great picture never seen that one before?
 

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New death estimates in the US went from 300K to 60k. a five fold decrease. Wonder why? The liberals said we were all going to die and Trumps optimism was a lie to the American people. Why have democrats downplayed Hydroxychloroquine and other treatments. When the FDA cleared it for approval to use it "off label" you could here the news organization and the democrats panic. Tell me one liberal news organization or congressperson that said, "I sure hope this new drug works!" NOT ONE!!! When Roosevelt on his first inauguration said "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" I guess should have been met with LIAR LIAR!! You're giving Americans false hope! Leaders lead by motivation not fear. Today's democrats lead by fear.
 

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I apologize for the long reply. I felt like writing something today instead of repairing a jigsaw that I have scattered over my work table. The jig saw is tedious this is a welcome distraction.

Funny you should quote Roosevelt . Was that FDR??
What FDR did in 1933 is intimately related to what is going on presently I believe. A recent (2002 ish) book, a forensic economic analysis of the great depression rightly credited Roosevelt with making what should have been a brief economic correction that should have resolved in 18-24 months without intervention, caused by America mal-invested into WWI, into the " Great Depression" which lasted from 1933 till 1946..

He was able to do so much damage to the economy because the methods he used to destroy the economy insured his re-election. Pure genius really. Hence he was our only 3 term president.

One of the destructive ways that FDR made the economy worse and crippled the natural recovery mechanism was by " creating " jobs for the unemployed. (CCC,etc). Most things he did stifled the recovery but this was unique in that it enlarged his voting base at the same time as almost exponentially increasing unemployment.
For each job he created he taxing about 4 private sector jobs out of existence. As employers folded under the weight of increased taxes the economy shrank ending the recovery that was underway when FDR was sworn into office . This caused more companies to fail, more unemployment, and on and on.

As the economy continued to collapse. People turned enmass to the government for assistance which FDR handily provided, meager though it was.
Next election those same people that FDR's policies put into the bread lines and CCC camps re elected FDR because they felt that a change in leadership would interrupt their income stream making them worse off than they were.

Propaganda also played a large role.
The government spun the story to lay the blame for the recession on wall street and evil capitalists. In doing so It directed the blame away from it's own politically motivated economic interventions instituted by the fed that created the credit for financing WWI and the stimulus afterward that resulted in a credit bubble that ended with 29 stock market crash.



The story went that Roosevelt had rescued the common man (CCC, fire side chats, etc). Many people knew differently. The most notable that disagreed with the spin publicly were silenced. Others who also disagreed took notice of the repercussions and shut up to avoid being unemployed in economic hard times. Soon there was only one voice to be heard, that of FDR's administration. It was all spin for the American people from then on. Right on through Peal harbor and WWII. Then FDR died, went to hell and with his guidance ended the economy recovered.


Conspiracy theory starts here****


Fast forward to today. The economy sucks though folks don't realize it because there is low unemployment and the stock market has been on a constant rise. Were told by experts that these things are all that matter.
They tell us that inflation is normal and a good thing.
They fail to mention that mass production lowers prices, that the market and manufacturing is highly leveraged, (operating on borrowed money)

People can't grasp that Un- affordable housing and resulting homelessness caused by housing price inflation, a highly leveraged stock market and manufacturing sector and high consumer debt , are results of of FED interventions in the markets which are politically motivated.

People perceive the economy to be strong. Spin we hear repeated everywhere. The truth is quite different.
The sign of a fragile economy is a lack of savings. Savings is the economic strength of a nation and as a nation we have very little.




Economic realities aside, if you are the Democratic party in 2020 and you have nothing to offer as far as a candidate, as is the case this year, how do you beat Trump in the next election?

You can't run Hillary, Bernie or Biden against what the public view as a strong economy and a strong stock market.
This has been a real problem for them. Then God smiled on the Democrats.

Enter the corona virus and the idea to take a page from FDR's 1933 playbook.

They exploited a problem, not a typical economic correction from mal-investment this time, but the Corona Virus which providence conveniently provided for them.

With the help of compliant experts fear mongering, the country has compliantly shut down.

The end result of these politically tuned economic interventions can only be another large economic depression.

Once enough people are broke and dependent on the government and charity, enough employers have failed , enough houses are headed for foreclosure or in foreclosed on, there is high unemployment and no job prospects as the economy suddenly scales down a V shaped recovery will be out of the question.
Mass psychology says and FDR's history shows that those displaced workers can be manipulated to come out and vote to not lose their only remaining source of income, government assistance. A democrat specialty.

This should insure a democratic presidency for at least 2 terms, perhaps longer.

It will be interesting to see if Trump can wiggle out of this one.



So how's that for a conspiracy theory. :) Best I could do on short notice.
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Anyone interested, for more about the reality of the Roosevelt years see:
Rethinking the Great Depression (American Ways) - Kindle edition by Smiley, Gene. Politics & Social Sciences Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com. ) American history isn't what they say it is.. Now is a good time to take up reading again.

And I got the Jigsaw put back together and it works like new. Life is good.
 

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New death estimates in the US went from 300K to 60k. a five fold decrease. Wonder why? The liberals said we were all going to die and Trumps optimism was a lie to the American people. Why have democrats downplayed Hydroxychloroquine and other treatments. When the FDA cleared it for approval to use it "off label" you could here the news organization and the democrats panic. Tell me one liberal news organization or congressperson that said, "I sure hope this new drug works!" NOT ONE!!! When Roosevelt on his first inauguration said "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" I guess should have been met with LIAR LIAR!! You're giving Americans false hope! Leaders lead by motivation not fear. Today's democrats lead by fear.
I honestly don't understand how one single American would ever vote for the communist left when all they offer is fear and lies. It's dumbfounding.

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Two very informative recent podcast videos of doctors very familiar with this pandemic. The first is treating pateints infected by the corona virus in Seattle the second is an expert on vaccines, immunology, and virology.
Lots of accurate information about this disease and treatment.

Those doing the interviews are both Cardiologists and being doctors themselves they ask the right questions.


From their podcast website, The description of the first interview:
"Our guest is intensive care specialist Mark Tonelli, Professor of Medicine at the University of Washington Medical Center in Seattle. He shares with us the encounter with the COVID-19 pandemic as it emerged from a nursing home in King County, Washington, and how the Seattle area medical community has responded to this first US cluster of cases."



From their podcast website the description of the second interview:
"Our guest is Dr. Paul Offit, an expert on vaccines, immunology, and virology. He is the Maurice R. Hilleman Professor of Vaccinology,Professor of Pediatrics at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania and Director of the Vaccine Education Center at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. He shares with us his thoughts on the response to the COVID pandemic, a response that should take into account the health costs of a severe economic downturn."




Both can be heard on their website HERE in podcast format. The Seattle intensive care specialists interview is episode 113 and the Dr. Paul Offit's the expert on vaccines, immunology, and virology's interview is episode 112. Enjoy.
 

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tRump appointed Rex Tillerson quote after he was fired fo disagreeing with tRump

"What was challenging for me coming from the disciplined, highly process-oriented Exxon Mobil corporation," Tillerson said, was "to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn't like to read, doesn't read briefing reports, doesn't like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather just kind of says, 'This is what I believe.'"


On Jan. 29, Peter Navarro warned his colleagues at the White House that if the administration did not mount an aggressive containment strategy for the coronavirus, it could kill more than half a million Americans and cost the country nearly $6 trillion. Nearly a month later, on Feb. 23, Navarro distributed an even more dire second memo in which he said as many as 100 million Americans could be infected with COVID-19, which might kill upwards of 2 million U.S. citizens.

tRump admits he never read the memo, IMO he is responsible for all the deaths due to Covid 19
 

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I watched a little over a hour of this. If what he says is true or even half true. We have been lied to about most diseases and there causes. Polio was a big one if it actually was caused by a insecticide. I remember this time well and new several people that were had polio. The stuff about the flu epidemic in 1918 that kill 50 million people. What's true and what's not true?
 

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Here is an interview with an emergency physician and surgical critical care specialist working at the North Shore University Hospital in New York done on the 25th of March. Again other doctors doing the interview.
Good descriptions of how they triage, who they test, who they send home, what to expect.
 
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