Kevin, The KP is a ROCKET for an old man. The 130 guy is settin up my one son w/o5 Hammer with some parts (s&s, controller etc.)he had before the Vision. That won't be til August though. Ha Ha, they follow til then. I think don't think the other two want to get involved. They just like the noise of those vic pipes on their 09s. Thanks for remembering me. I look forward to more advice from all you guys out there! Sorry, I sent this thread way out there. I'll stick more to reading and learning. tom[/QUOTE].....Oh Yea...... BK as I said upon meeting you in person. The pleasure was all mine. Hows that KP running?? Have your kids pony'd up for an S&S yet??