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I left the house about 7:00AM Friday morning headed for Daytona Speedway with plans to play on someone else’s bikes for the day. I took the interstate down to save time even though there was frost on the ground. 85MPH on the interstate, temp gauge reading 36 degrees… it was cold. I had the closeouts over the crash bars and was geared for the cold, so it wasn’t that bad. I arrived at the Speedway just before 9:00 and hit the Kawasaki tent first. I got a couple of time slots for later in the day, so I decided to go ride a couple of Victorys and try out the heated grips while I waited. Hopped on my XC and started the slow cruise to the other end of the track. On the way the clutch did something funny… again. Cruising at 10MPH in first, pulled the clutch in, and the bike coasted down to about 5MPH and then just wanted to keep going. I had to stop for the traffic and thought maybe I was imagining things. There was a lot of traffic which didn’t allow me to try it again before I got over by the Victory tent.

I rode the XCT and the heated grips work well (Man these things would have been nice on the ride down!!!), wind management on the tour is awesome (although the windshield is about 1” too tall), and there was ZERO funny business with the clutch. Then I rode the Vision for the first time. Wind protection was good, but not as good as the XCT, again the heated grips worked well, adjustable windshield is a great feature, and the bike is very balance with super light steering. I was able to do a complete stop-n-go without putting my feet down. Although I am not a fan of the styling, the Vision is an awesome machine. Again, I was looking specifically for issues with the clutch and found NONE.

Then it was back to the Kawi tent for my first scheduled demo. Traffic was thick and didn’t let me test for the problem I thought I had felt earlier. So I get over to the Kawasaki tent and they give me a free shirt, and then I get to take the Voyager out for the first time. Kawasaki has the best demo rides going at Daytona. It lasts about 30 minutes and has a good mix of interstate and back roads. The leader rode at a spirited pace giving me the opportunity to really get a good feel for the bike. Overall the Voyager is a very competent machine. The engine and transmission were very smooth, clutch pull was extremely light (hydraulic), brakes are solid, and the wind protection was surprisingly good. On the down side the tank and engine were wide between my legs, I very much missed the Victory foot room, the bike felt underpowered, and the plastic that the bags and tour pack were made of was thin and wimpy feeling.

After that… the problem with my clutch was killing me. I blew off my next Kawasaki demo, and quickly found a fairly empty shopping strip to determine if I really had an issue or not. Bad news… I was not imagining things. Rolling at roughly 10MPH in first gear, pull the clutch in, and the bike slows to about 5MPH and then keep going. If I hit the brakes it will stop just fine, or if I try to go up any real incline it will coast to a stop. But when it’s on flat land it will just keep going in circles at 5MPH all day. I just idled around the parking lot in a daze. I just had my clutch replaced maybe 2,000 miles ago. Now I have the beginnings of the same problem that toasted the last clutch as 22,000 miles. What the heck do I do now???!!!!????!!!???

I ate lunch mulling it all over. I putted back over to the Speedway with all this stewing in my head. Talked myself out of taking the issue up with the guys at the Victory tent. Decided that the conversation may not go as planned, and I didn’t need a place to sleep at tax payer expense.

Then I went and hammered on a couple of Harleys. I have to thank Harley for allowing me to let off some steam on their machines, I found it very therapeutic. Both bikes were… well… Harley. Beautiful paint shaker time machines with cramped egos, so-so powered engines, so-so brakes, and no cornering clearance. The same thing that they have been doing for… yeah.

The day was done.
 

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What kind of oil do you have in that thing? Not all oils work well with a "wet" clutch even if they are otherwise a perfect match to the specs in your owners manual.
 

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Vic oil from dealer... 2,000ish miles ago.
 

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Vic oil from dealer... 2,000ish miles ago.
IIRC, I seem to remember being a little afraid for you when you told me they only replaced the plates. Didn't you say the plates showed an uneven wear? It seems to me that would occur if something (like the basket) was forcing them to engage cockeyed. It would explain why the plates aren't separating properly and propelling you around at 5 mph with the clutch pulled in.

Anyway, it sounds like it should be easy for a tech to recreate at this point. Maybe they can diagnose the problem better now with less worn plates.

Good luck.
 

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Perhaps since this is not the first time you can get them to actually upgrade your clutch for free.
 

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I have come up with a few options, but still undecided what direction I'm going to go...

- Go back to the dealer that did the repair and let them have another shot at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and let them take a crack at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and trade it for a new bike and start over?
- Trade it for something else and talk $hit about Victory for the rest of my life?
- Legal action?

I'm just tired of dealing with this crap. I just want a bike I can ride. That's why I bought a Vic to start with.
 

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I have come up with a few options, but still undecided what direction I'm going to go...

- Go back to the dealer that did the repair and let them have another shot at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and let them take a crack at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and trade it for a new bike and start over?
- Trade it for something else and talk $hit about Victory for the rest of my life?
- Legal action?

I'm just tired of dealing with this crap. I just want a bike I can ride. That's why I bought a Vic to start with.
Given that there are a whole bunch of us here who don't share your problem, chances are it's the mechanic's failure to find and correct the problem's root cause, not an inherent design flaw of the machine. Option 1 would be my first choice, but then again, I have another bike to ride while they figure it out.
 

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I have come up with a few options, but still undecided what direction I'm going to go...

- Go back to the dealer that did the repair and let them have another shot at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and let them take a crack at it?
- Take it back to Gainesville and trade it for a new bike and start over?
- Trade it for something else and talk $hit about Victory for the rest of my life?
- Legal action?

I'm just tired of dealing with this crap. I just want a bike I can ride. That's why I bought a Vic to start with.
personally, option 3 or 4.
 

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Option 1.

Any other dealer who works on it and tells Victory the fault may be with the origional mechanic will probably cause Victory to void repair costs since you didn't give the origional shop a chance to stand by their work. They already paid them, and don't want to pay them twice.
 

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Has anyone suggested that you simply adjust your clutch cable? there should be a little slop in it when the lever is not pulled in. if your clutch is too tight, it may still be partially engaged when you pull the lever, causing the bike to "creep" and burn out over time.
 

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Clutch cable adjustment was done 2,000 miles ago when the new clutch was installed, has not moved, and is in spec.
 

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Has anyone suggested that you simply adjust your clutch cable? there should be a little slop in it when the lever is not pulled in. if your clutch is too tight, it may still be partially engaged when you pull the lever, causing the bike to "creep" and burn out over time.
If it were too tight it would have the effect of keeping the plates apart when the clutch lever is out. This would cause slippage. His problem is the plates are not separating completely when the clutch lever in pulled in. This causes his bike to move with the clutch lever pulled in. You could still be right. It might be as simple as adjusting it a bit tighter. But given that it has come back so suddenly and the fact that his former plates had uneven wear, I'd bet there is something out of alignment within his clutch assembly.

Just curious, is that your yellow Vision? I love that bike. It's my current PC's desktop background.
 

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Agreed… if the clutch cable was over tight then it could cause unnoticeable clutch slippage under high load (interstate speed?), generating excess heat, and eventual plate warpage. If the cable was too loose then it could cause incomplete clutch disengagement, and the bike would creep forward at a stop, and after prolonged usage this would also warp the clutch plates.

Neither are the case here. Cable is adjusted so there is about a nickels thickness worth of play at the handle pivot when the bike is hot. Clutch engagement starts right in the middle of the levers travel. There has got to be something internally out of spec causing the problem. Unfortunately I do not know enough about this kind of clutch to make an EDUCATED guess as to what it is. Replace the whole damn thing???
 

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i don't know about a vic in particular but on a hd there is a large bearing the whole clutch basket spins on. if that bearing gets worn or the races crack it will do exactly as you describe. im sure a vic would have to have such a bearing for the basket to spin on when the clutch is pulled in.
 

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i don't know about a vic in particular but on a hd there is a large bearing the whole clutch basket spins on. if that bearing gets worn or the races crack it will do exactly as you describe. im sure a vic would have to have such a bearing for the basket to spin on when the clutch is pulled in.
That makes a lot of sense. Per the manual, ours has two such bearings, see #3 & #22.

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full coverage, I remember this guy at work he would drive to Ohio. Funny how when he come back from the weekend his bike got stolen. This happen twice in 5 years. Of course it was a pig in the early 90s. I have seen motorcycles fall over in a shed catch on fire and be a total loss. You would have to be careful your bike did not fall over and catch fire..
 

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full coverage, I remember this guy at work he would drive to Ohio. Funny how when he come back from the weekend his bike got stolen. This happen twice in 5 years. Of course it was a pig in the early 90s. I have seen motorcycles fall over in a shed catch on fire and be a total loss. You would have to be careful your bike did not fall over and catch fire..
Replacing the entire clutch assembly out of pocket would be far cheaper than dealing with the court system for perpetrating insurance fraud.

Then again, I reckon I'm kinda naive about such things. Several years back I was bringing my wife back from a medical procedure done in Chicago and got rear ended. The line of cars involved was 5. When the at fault person's insurance called me, the first thing he asked was if either of us was injured. I said no and I think he briefly fainted. He kept asking me if I was sure until I asked him why he kept asking me. He explained that EVERYONE claims they are hurt in an accident caused by someone else with insurance. They pay out something like $6k dollars to every claimant as it allows them to get claimants to waive all future rights to sue them or their insuree.

Guess I was born more honest than smart. I just wanted my car fixed...
 

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full coverage, I remember this guy at work he would drive to Ohio. Funny how when he come back from the weekend his bike got stolen. This happen twice in 5 years. Of course it was a pig in the early 90s. I have seen motorcycles fall over in a shed catch on fire and be a total loss. You would have to be careful your bike did not fall over and catch fire..
I lol'd at this. I have been reading your posts lately man. I am a new Vic owner so I am of zero help to your plight. But good luck to you man. I sleep easier hearing other people's surprise at your troubles...I hope you got a lemon, for my sake (haha). But for your sake, i hope it works out. As much as I personally would have lost all faith in the shop you've been going to...I vote for option 1. That or, if you feel they are being negligent contact Victory. I have heard that shop near here was doing bogus warranty claims and they came down hard on him for it...rightly so. Not saying this is the case but sooner or later it pays for victory to step back and look at the common denominator in your claims. Seems to me all signs point to that shop not making good on the original lemony issues.
 

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...Just curious, is that your yellow Vision? I love that bike. It's my current PC's desktop background.
Yes, she is mine, I ride anytime its not raining. I work with Coastal Victory/ Hotvic.com and rode her to Daytona last week.
 
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