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If you do...I recommend the conquest under drive pulley. SNAP! Ok to make a long story short...I have my full complement of LLoyds products on my XC, including the ecm reprogram. After I installed the vm-1 DR cams, I felt like the bottom tq just wasn't quite there. So I ordered the underdrive pulley from Conquest. Well after sitting all winter long I was able to take it for a spin and it was a very nice improvement. Before (I'm a large aka out of shape individual) starting out in 2nd was doable but had to be finessed...now.. shoot I could come off the light and damn near drop the clutch in second and she'll pull right off to idle. It was one of the best if not the best mod (performance wise) I've done to date. cheers
 

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MATE, so you liked the " conquest under drive pulley"

I wish they make that item for JACKPOT 2013 but they don't. WHY I ASK MYSELF

cool mate, i also believe this is a perfect thing to do, conquest under drive pulley
 

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MATE, so you liked the " conquest under drive pulley"

I wish they make that item for JACKPOT 2013 but they don't. WHY I ASK MYSELF

cool mate, i also believe this is a perfect thing to do, conquest under drive pulley
Your sig made me chuckle pretty hard

" Temperature Gage DIPSTICK = in ºF not in ºC :-( "
 

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I was very exited to receive this cool BLING even when other say it leaks, mine does not leak,

I just have NO CLUE what this Fahrenheit means without an conversion table in my pocket, in traffic jams the bike gets so &^%# hot that even 2 times it "cuts" out by itself,

Now for every traffic light i just switch off the bike, and when I am home, I forgot all the numbers already....... so Dipstick reflects on my "feeling" regarding this subject

WHY THE UNDER DRIVE PULLEY IS NOT MADE FOR JACKPOT..... :(:(:(

hahahah:crzy::crzy:
 

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I have NEVER heard of a Vic overheating. Not to say it doesn't happen, but so few and far between and only when something is very, very wrong. They are notorious for not running hot at events when Harleys are dropping like flies. Need that bike checked.....
 

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Well it was not my intention to "hack" beast30 his tread about his under-drive pulley, (that there is NON for Jackpot)

But I am very glad there is no history of overheating, so I will keep track of my Fahrenheit dipstick and see what happens, my bike runs great by the way?

maybe somebody will request a under-drive pulley for ALL MODELS Victory's
 

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Well it was not my intention to "hack" beast30 his tread about his under-drive pulley, (that there is NON for Jackpot)

But I am very glad there is no history of overheating, so I will keep track of my Fahrenheit dipstick and see what happens, my bike runs great by the way?

maybe somebody will request a under-drive pulley for ALL MODELS Victory's
No worries....really surprised someone hasn't designed one for the phat bottom bikes.
 

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hey beast! you have a lot of upgrades that im considering , a few questions, first with the lloyds ats it says on his site not for use with pc-5 because the timing wheel is up to 2500 rpm and the pc-5 takes that out of the picture. now my dealer told me for the cams to add the pc-5, i now have the ness big shot. am i gettin confused? or is there a simple explanation here... im also curious about your lack of torque with the cam install... or are those a different spec than the low end touring cams lloydz offers? a lot to ask but if you could explain it would be very helpfull. i have an e-mail in to lloydz but i know hes busy. thanks!
 

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I was very exited to receive this cool BLING even when other say it leaks, mine does not leak,

I just have NO CLUE what this Fahrenheit means without an conversion table in my pocket
It's easy !

The formula is :

F - 32/1.8.

Or, easier to remember - take 30 off the Fahrenheit number then halve it.

For example, F120 - 30 = 90, divided by 2 = 45c.

Using the correct formula gives us 49c.
 

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hey beast! you have a lot of upgrades that im considering , a few questions, first with the lloyds ats it says on his site not for use with pc-5 because the timing wheel is up to 2500 rpm and the pc-5 takes that out of the picture. now my dealer told me for the cams to add the pc-5, i now have the ness big shot. am i gettin confused? or is there a simple explanation here... im also curious about your lack of torque with the cam install... or are those a different spec than the low end touring cams lloydz offers? a lot to ask but if you could explain it would be very helpfull. i have an e-mail in to lloydz but i know hes busy. thanks!
Bd , Lloyd's ATS wheel will adjust the timing from basically idle all the way to your rev limit. The pc5 will (as I've read and heard) only adjust from approx 2500 rpm and up to your rev limit. Doesn't mean you have to use it but that option is there to adjust. You have to manually input the pc5 to whatever timing you want. At this time I have "no timing change on the pc5, I only have the timing adjusted on the ATS wheel from Lloyd's. So basically both units can and will work together nicely. There is a extremely lengthy thread describing the timing wheel under the tech and performance heading in this forum.
As for my loss or lack there of bottom end tq is purely my feeling and possibily the fact that I'm running the honkers exhaust and my pc5 isn't tune right. Which I'm correcting next week with a visit down to the Vic shop for a dyno tune. I don't run cross country with my bike maybe 300 miles a day and for me the 7% rpm differential for utilizing the under drive pulley was well worth it. It is true that with Lloyd's cams the bottom end tq isn't quite as strong as the stock cams but with the timing wheel if definitely helps to fill that void.
 

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hey beast! you have a lot of upgrades that im considering , a few questions, first with the lloyds ats it says on his site not for use with pc-5 because the timing wheel is up to 2500 rpm and the pc-5 takes that out of the picture. now my dealer told me for the cams to add the pc-5, i now have the ness big shot. am i gettin confused? or is there a simple explanation here... im also curious about your lack of torque with the cam install... or are those a different spec than the low end touring cams lloydz offers? a lot to ask but if you could explain it would be very helpfull. i have an e-mail in to lloydz but i know hes busy. thanks!
Reread about the timing wheel. He doesnt say not to use it with the pcv, but when running both remember the timing wheel effects timing all the way from idle to wot, the pcv is from 2500-wot. So if you run your pcv with +4 timing and your wheel with +8 timing above 2500 you will have 12° of added timing. If you are adding mods go with a pcv! Im sure beast will agree here.

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Reread about the timing wheel. He doesnt say not to use it with the pcv, but when running both remember the timing wheel effects timing all the way from idle to wot, the pcv is from 2500-wot. So if you run your pcv with +4 timing and your wheel with +8 timing above 2500 you will have 12° of added timing. If you are adding mods go with a pcv! Im sure beast will agree here.

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thanks for the in depth guys, ill have to find out what cams my dealer was talking about, he told me they were touring (low end) cams and I needed the pcv to tune, I have the ness big shot on my bike now. dealer will switch out for me at first service. what mods I make I would like to benefit me down low and it sounds like the cams beast have are higher rpm cams, just bought my bike excactly one week ago so still feelin out the motor, been on h-d for long time and had motor mods up the wazoo, se203 cams on my glide were sweet low end cams...anyway if I work the pcv in with the timing wheel and cams I would expect to get more low end grunt , and my throttle response isn't what I would like either. im digging this forum though seems like having less people on the forum makes for a more effective one.
 

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Just remember that even though the cams are not always showing huge numbers in torque look at how much more they are making then stock and where. And a good tune will crispen up the response.

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cam options

what cam options do we have out there? at arlen ness they had one cam option and it was lloydz cams, the service guy told me they were a touring grind (low end) are there more? or is he blowin smoke. I know I need to do my homework but who better to ask than you guys.
 

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For the recent model bikes there are basically 2 grinds from Lloydz. One is a simple drop in that gives you decent overall power improvements. The other is a high revving cam that gives you higher lift and more top end power but is referred to as a touring cam, I have no idea why. The touring cam is not a simple drop in, it requires added components when you install it.
 

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cams etc.

I went back to lloydz site and it seems correct that if it requires machining it would mean the lift is more on those touring cams, its just weird that for h-d the touring cams (se203 in my case) were the torque low end cams. im not into any machine work being done to my new bike, so the proposal of a performance set of cams dropped in is best for me, just don't want to sacrifice any low end grunt since that is where we live on the xc and xct models. so this week im having my big shot fuel controller switched out to a pcv and ill be ready for the cams in a month or so. with the pcv, big honker exhaust, air filter and the drop in cams I should be in business, im thinking before my final tune to disconnect the o2 sensors as well. sound correct?
 

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The machining that needs to be done is minimal and for lobe clearance, but for me if i were to do cams thats the way i would go. Look up squatches post on cams, i believe hes close to 120-120 with them.

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I went back to lloydz site and it seems correct that if it requires machining it would mean the lift is more on those touring cams, its just weird that for h-d the touring cams (se203 in my case) were the torque low end cams. im not into any machine work being done to my new bike, so the proposal of a performance set of cams dropped in is best for me, just don't want to sacrifice any low end grunt since that is where we live on the xc and xct models. so this week im having my big shot fuel controller switched out to a pcv and ill be ready for the cams in a month or so. with the pcv, big honker exhaust, air filter and the drop in cams I should be in business, im thinking before my final tune to disconnect the o2 sensors as well. sound correct?
So what is in a name? I thought a touring cam would be for someone like me, who rides a tour bike. I was wrong in the Lloydz product line. There the one they call a touring cam is a high lift, high performance cam. The HD approach to nomenclature seems more honest but once you know what is meant by each model you can ignore those misleading labels implying use.
 
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