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interesting that a Vegas JACKPOT pulls up from 60 mph in the same 129 feet as a ZX10 !!! and a Harley Streetglide!
OK double that speed and see the stopping distances:eek

By the way AfterDarker, with the Lloyds modified ECU whats your top end speed so far?......does it over-ride the factory rev limiter through the gears and you don't say you have a fuel controller.
Mine feels strongest in 5th and Id hazard a guess that itd be faster in 5th than 6th gear.
 

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Guess you did not follow post #11 there is a link to a website

http://www.motorcycle.com/how-to/victory-vegas-8ball-project-evil-8-part-2-90808.html

And there they've done it .... And a turbo charged member on this site did it too ....

The coolest way would be the 40° link
http://www.kewlmetalstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=83
i send you before instead of the Jackpot to install the Hammer one ... Same price .... Only the hoses and calipers need extra ..... All in the link above mate ...

Yes agree with your post ... Compare to other victory or HD or other V-twin our single disks actually breaks shorter ...

But not compare to racers .... I'll look up a link that i posted before in brake distance in meters

EDIT, i could not find it but this info will do .... Victory is in the list
Brake distance in ft

http://www.svrider.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-307050.html

Superbikes:
•2011 BMW S1000RR: 129 ft
•2011 Ducati 1198: 141 ft
•2011 Honda CBR1000RR: 134 ft
•2011 Suzuki GSXR-1000: 140 ft
•2011 KTM RC8R: 135 ft
•2011 Kawasaki ZX10R: 129 ft
•2011 Yamaha R1: 137 ft

Supersports:
•2011 Yamaha R6: 124 ft
•2011 Honda CBR600RR: 126 ft
•2011 Ducati 848 EVO: 127 ft
•2011 Triumph 675R: 126 ft
•2011 Suzuki GSXR-600: 122 ft

Other bikes:
•2015 Harley Street 750: 152 ft
•2011 Harley StreetGlide: 129 ft
•2011 Star Stratoliner: 142 ft
•2011 Kawasaki Vulcan Vaquero: 144 ft
•2013 BMW R1200-RTP: 144 ft
•2013 Harley Electra Glide: 144 ft
•2010 Star Raider S: 124 ft
•2010 Harley Softail Rocker C: 125 ft
•2010 Victory Vegas Jackpot: 129 ft

OR

http://www.motorcycle-vermont.com/the-effect-of-motorcycle-type-on-braking-distance/

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GOOGLE is your friend ....

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Good post, thanks BPR. Appreciate the links. All points to fitting a Hammer front end as the way to go. Only problem, and it is a big problem, is cost. The local Victory shop here in Sydney quoted me $7K + to fit a Hammer front end to the Judge! Farrk I will trade the Judge rather than pay stupid money to do that.

I was surprised by that brake comparison, maybe I should fit a set of trick brake levers to try and get better leverage? I have to squeeze the **** out of the brake lever to get adequate bite sometimes... I will develop a handshake like Schwarzenegger riding this bike... not all bad I suppose.

Can't believe you ride your own machine over there on a relatively remote part of Indonesia, you surely must be king of the island in amongst 10,000 scooters!
 

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interesting that a Vegas JACKPOT pulls up from 60 mph in the same 129 feet as a ZX10 !!! and a Harley Streetglide!

OK double that speed and see the stopping distances:eek



By the way AfterDarker, with the Lloyds modified ECU whats your top end speed so far?......does it over-ride the factory rev limiter through the gears and you don't say you have a fuel controller.

Mine feels strongest in 5th and Id hazard a guess that itd be faster in 5th than 6th gear.

I have given it absolutely everything a couple of times (private roads one in Victorian high country and another near Walcha NSW) and the calibration on the bloody speedo makes it hard to read after 140 kmh, they bunch it up, but I had it complete flat chat at about 200 kmh and felt the rev limiter cut in, fifth is best sixth is an overdrive. Sorry when I say chip I mean the Lloydz Gen III fuel controller fitted. Have a small fairing, really you need a decent fairing and rear mounted pegs and low bars to start doing "proper" top speeds, but it's all good fun.

I suppose I could take it to a track day but I would feel like a bit of an idiot on a cruiser. Might take it to Sydney dragway one day but I am a rank amateur really on proper drag techniques, and would need a quick shifter fitted I think.
 

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I have given it absolutely everything a couple of times (private roads one in Victorian high country and another near Walcha NSW) and the calibration on the bloody speedo makes it hard to read after 140 kmh, they bunch it up, but I had it complete flat chat at about 200 kmh and felt the rev limiter cut in, fifth is best sixth is an overdrive. Sorry when I say chip I mean the Lloydz Gen III fuel controller fitted. Have a small fairing, really you need a decent fairing and rear mounted pegs and low bars to start doing "proper" top speeds, but it's all good fun.

I suppose I could take it to a track day but I would feel like a bit of an idiot on a cruiser. Might take it to Sydney dragway one day but I am a rank amateur really on proper drag techniques, and would need a quick shifter fitted I think.
mine reached 160 kph as I crossed the line at Willowbank Dragstrip when we had a club day with the Muscle Car Club Im in ,I decided to take the Vegas instead of my car, but sadly rats had ate through the fibre optic on the timing lights so we got flagged away with no timeslips or speeds recorded:frown
You must have one of them silly newer speedos that switch from mph to kph and get real hard to read hey...mine being 2010 has the numbers the same size all the way round..

Hey and dont feel like an idiot on a cruiser, drag racings all about having fun...legally...get out there and have a go!
Id never put a bike down the 1/4 mile before neither but have done over a 100 passes in my car in the low 14's.....the guys on the startline will help you get into stage ,
Line it up with the wheeltrack of the car that left on the run before you, no need to do a burnout,
ride around the water or you'll get it on your tyres.
Then just leave on the last orange and wring its neck, gears will shift ok,
Keep into it past the scoreboards as the actual finish line is further than you think and the second speed light is further still, so ride her right out the back door.........careful its addictive!
 

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Summary of replying below ...

1, amazing single disk is competitive stopping power with the rest of the bikes ..... Maybe it is true, maybe not .... I always feel my old 1100cc jap bikes double disk had better stopping power ...

2, always wanted to mod my ECU but sending it by post would be risky ....

3, the 40° rake kit is super cool but the price is STUPID expensive, 2,800 without all the goodies attached .... Jackpot or Hammer same price

4, you have EBC brakes and lock your rear ? Please change the degree angle slightly of your foot brake .... No more locking after that ... 30% mate ...

5, yeah mate we got a few victory's here , no speed cameras, ride fast or slow,

6, rev (6400 rpm) or speed limiter kiks in at 200 km/h .... Gear 5 &6
The overdrive becomes a usable gear if you install a UnderDrive Pulley ...

Yes agree with VJ set your lever on #1 position and please check if your EBC brakepads are not glazed-up so to speak .... If you know what i mean .... Something to check ....

Also change your brake flued every 2 years ....
 

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The grip of the front tire is the deciding factor for how well you can stop. The main reason for two discs up front is to help reduce brake fade. A single disc can stop you just fine. People just need to learn to squeeze the lever a little harder.
 

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Yeah the fatter 130 Im now running up front has more braking force that the skinny 90 thats for sure.
And thats with the stock E3 that came with the wheel, I reckon a sticky tyre would be better again.
I know every time I fitted a new front tyre to the 21" it braked better than the almost worn out one I'd take off.
When descending a long steep hill I notice some riders ride thier brakes all the way down.
I prefer to go down under power and stop at the bottom as well as brief applications to wash off speed if theres bends.
On group rides 50-75% of riders are over-using thier brakes which is a pain in the ass following them.
I think some are just touching the lever for reassurance even.
 

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My levers set to five cos of a hand injury, many years ago courtesy of way töo much wine, women, and my anger.
Its an easier lever and never bottoms out on the bars under heavy braking.
Suits me and my fucked up hand.
I really dont think lever setting makes any difference to retardation its a comfort setting.
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The grip of the front tire is the deciding factor for how well you can stop. The main reason for two discs up front is to help reduce brake fade. A single disc can stop you just fine.
I have never wanted for better brakes nor have I ever heat-faded the brakes... but I have EBC Pro-Lite rotors w/HH pads on both ends... and Z-rated radial tires too.
 

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Ive thought about it on my Vegas which is same as a Judge really except for wheel size.
I bought an XC billet 18" front wheel as it has bolt holes for two disc rotors and it fits my conventional forks using all the same spacers and axle off my 21" wheel.
The problem lies then in where to bolt the second caliper töo as theres no lugs on the other lower fork leg so youve gotta weld some on in the right place and strip the forks right down after marking where youre gonna weld or the heat generated will probably mess up your fork internals.
The other way to go is bolt an entire Hammer S fork assembly including triple trees to your judge.
With the price of Vic parts you may be better off moneywise to graft on an entire Jap superbike front end off a GSXR1000 or similar...I've seen similar setups on hotrodded Harleys before.
Any other ideas I'd love to hear as really our single disc fronts are barely adequate at speed.
Upgrade to Lyndals performance pads is the cheapest way to get better front braking.
So I have toyed with the idea of the Kingpin front forks similar to what you did, but then I was just thinking, I'm not sure how the leg lengths compare, but if it would work, could a set of Cross bike trees and legs be put on a Highball?

There would be a few perks, I'm thinking it would be slightly taller (which would help since I'm overheight on my rear suspension), it would take the bike to inverted forks, and then potentially use a cross bike wheel, with dual rotors, and the opportunity to run a 160 front like I have on my CrossRoads.

Your thoughts please?
 

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I reckon itd work, do it.
 

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So I have toyed with the idea of the Kingpin front forks similar to what you did, but then I was just thinking, I'm not sure how the leg lengths compare, but if it would work, could a set of Cross bike trees and legs be put on a Highball?



There would be a few perks, I'm thinking it would be slightly taller (which would help since I'm overheight on my rear suspension), it would take the bike to inverted forks, and then potentially use a cross bike wheel, with dual rotors, and the opportunity to run a 160 front like I have on my CrossRoads.



Your thoughts please?
I bolted a whole front end of a Hammer onto my Jackpot ... Double disk & big ass front tire

Stock tire 90/90-21"
Now 160/90-18"


Andre using TaPaTaLk
 

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I bolted a whole front end of a Hammer onto my Jackpot ... Double disk & big ass front tire

Stock tire 90/90-21"
Now 160/90-18"


Andre using TaPaTaLk
Interesting, we need to talk some more. I have a Cross Roads with the 160 front Perelli Angel GT on the front of it. I'd love to have the big front on the Highball too.
 

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Just a matter of getting the right size steering head bearings Id think, inner dimension to suit the headstem of the triple clamps and outer to suit the frame diameter.
I wouldnt be surprised if it was a bolt up operation.
Had an XS1100 front firk assembly on an old K2 CB750/4 HONDA with twin discs, gave me slightly extended forks as a bonus.
 

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Interesting, we need to talk some more. I have a Cross Roads with the 160 front Perelli Angel GT on the front of it. I'd love to have the big front on the Highball too.
What is the stock tire size on a high ball ?

I just changed the tripple trees and USD forks ...

Yes i think cross bikes and hammers have the same space between the forks .... Seems there are only 2 different size tripple trees



Andre using TaPaTaLk
 
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