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For cruising around this bike delivers and is one cool ride. Everyone who sees it loves the thing and who can blame them? :)

I dont ride it like the sport bikes I have had but I put it through its paces. The first curvy road had me scraping my pegs and getting the rear tire pretty close to the edge. There are a few mods that are a MUST.

1. The seat is horrible.
2. The rear shock is horrible (may just need adjusting).
3. The front brakes lack initial bite and under hard braking dont quite cut it. 700 lb bike with 220 lbs of "me" means they have to work hard in a hammer on the brake type stop. The rear brake seems soft and lacking as well. Normal riding they are fine though.
4. It chugs A LOT if you are below 1800 rpms.

Would it be worth it to upgrade to the Hammer S rear shock with 3.9 inches of travel vs. just the 3.0 that it has now?

The engine has good power and for now its "ok" but I will have to have more. It is not what I would call a fast bike but it does make good torque and the power delivery is smooth and never jerky. The front forks are a little on the soft side for my taste but it helps to smooth out the ride on rough roads.

I am really nit-picking because it is THAT GOOD of a bike.

It handles well, has good power, got 45 miles per gallon, stops decent, looks amazing, and sounds good in stock form. It does nothing great but does everything well. I keep coming back to the brakes and will either upgrade the rotor and pad or perhaps go with a dual disc front set-up.

I cant wait to ride it again. :)
 

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Upgrade to the EBC pads now. The factory pads are inadequate.

As far as the motor upgrade, it's your money, so spend it as you see fit. cheers
 

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How does the 250 rear tire feel when leaning the bike into the turns?
It feels ok, takes some getting used to but its not bad. It takes more concentration and you have to be more attentive to your actions in the corner, more so than a sport bike or a more narrow rear tire bike that "glides" through the corner. If that makes sense. lol

Funny story.....I took it Saturday to get its first service and the one guy says "Did you ride sport bikes before this?" I said yeah and says "Makes sense." I notice that my pegs hit VERY early and well before I hit the edge of the tire. Left side of my rear tire has wear about 1/2 inch from the edge (peg barely touches at that point) but the right side of my tire had marks all the way to the very edge and the peg had some nice rash on it. I can hustle it through corners pretty well but no where near like my sport bikes.

Honestly, the bike is better and better each time I ride it and since the service (oil/filter/full check up...etc) its even better. The brakes are ALL I want to change apart from teh seat and rear shock. I had them adjust the rear shock and soften it a little bit as it was "Hammering" my butt pretty hard!

This bike is awesome. :)

I thought Hammer's had dual disks up front...

Yes. The EBC pads will help a lot. www.noemtz.com is a good source for them.
The 8-ball version only gets 1 up front and a 3.0 inch travel shock vs 3.9. I "think" they are the only changes as far as color....etc
 

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The 8-ball version only gets 1 up front and a 3.0 inch travel shock vs 3.9. I "think" they are the only changes as far as color....etc
That esplains it. I was thinking the Hammers had the taller shock too. Anyway, yes, the taller shock makes a dramatic improvement IMO. I rode a High Ball and a Kingpin back to back. The HB has your same short shock and the KP has the 3.9" as the Hammer S. The quality of the ride was much better on the KP.

I rode a Hammer S that had been lowered. I don't know what was used, but I didn't like it.

In another thread, someone mentioned an air adjustable shock for Vic cruisers made by Kewlmetal. Sound interesting to me.

I was also not a fan of the seat or the brakes on the Hammer S. I can't understand why the brakes didn't feel better being a dual front, but I actually liked the feel of the KP's single disc better. New pads would probably do wonders here.

As to the seat, I don't know how many good options there are. The KP has a very nice seat, so that may have contributed to my appreciation of its ride. I guess there is always the option of sending it out to a seat remodeler.
 

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I am looking in to some seats but spending THAT much is not want I want to do.

My dad said the same thing about having someone modify the stock seat. May have to do that. :)

It is a great bike thus far.
 

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It feels ok, takes some getting used to but its not bad. It takes more concentration and you have to be more attentive to your actions in the corner, more so than a sport bike or a more narrow rear tire bike that "glides" through the corner. If that makes sense. lol

Funny story.....I took it Saturday to get its first service and the one guy says "Did you ride sport bikes before this?" I said yeah and says "Makes sense." I notice that my pegs hit VERY early and well before I hit the edge of the tire. Left side of my rear tire has wear about 1/2 inch from the edge (peg barely touches at that point) but the right side of my tire had marks all the way to the very edge and the peg had some nice rash on it. I can hustle it through corners pretty well but no where near like my sport bikes.

Honestly, the bike is better and better each time I ride it and since the service (oil/filter/full check up...etc) its even better. The brakes are ALL I want to change apart from teh seat and rear shock. I had them adjust the rear shock and soften it a little bit as it was "Hammering" my butt pretty hard!

This bike is awesome. :)



The 8-ball version only gets 1 up front and a 3.0 inch travel shock vs 3.9. I "think" they are the only changes as far as color....etc
Stock Dunlop rear tire? Swap it for a Metz and you won't even notice it. The stock Dunlops suck.
 

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Stock Dunlop rear tire? Swap it for a Metz and you won't even notice it. The stock Dunlops suck.
I dont seem to have a problem with the stock tires....but to be honest I am not a fan of Dunslops. lol

In the past I have ran M1's and M3's on my sport bikes and I think those things would stick to the ceiling. thumb up
 

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Hello guys.

I almost bought the Hammer 8 ball last night. Had second thoughts. Used to have an M109R and it was a blast, went to sport bikes for a while then scared myself a few too many times, and now back in market for a big cruiser and would prefer an American bike and never liked Harleys or the attitude.

Problem is, I just got married and want to take my wife with me on this new bike and the "sensible" bike would be one of the big tourers from Victory, but I love the style and look of the Vegas and Hammer 8 Ball bikes. She loves the tourers, but is eager for us to get any bike and fully supports my decision which I am pleasantly surprised at! :)

I just love the overall look of the Hammer, slightly better than the Vegas. Although the Vegas handled a lot better and I like that large diameter front wheel. Don't want to spend the money on a Jackpot, plus I hear with wide rear tire and large front wheel the Jackpot handles worse than a Hammer.

So I think I am set on a the Hammer, but want to make a few mods and make it as comfortable as possible for me and wife on short to medium rides (i.e. pegs, seats).

Seat: The factory rear seat option for the Hammer ($550); anybody sat on it/seen it? Opinions? Also, is the stock rider seat that bad?

Pegs: I hear that the bike can't lean too far without scraping pegs. I am 6'2" and 210 pounds. I used to scrape pegs on my M109R all the time and it didn't bother me. What is the concern with the Hammer other than grinding off some metal? Does the Hammer lean more/less without scraping than a M109R? I rode a demo Vegas and Hammer but wasn't daring enough to test it out.

Turn signals: I like that rear LED turn signal strip but the dealer charges more than $300 for it. Any better option out there? Any cool mods for the front turn signals?

Pipes: Frankly, I love the blacked out look of the 8 Ball but the pipes are a bit boring to me. Anybody have aftermarket pipes? Don't want something so loud that it pisses off the neighbors. I was never into seeing how much noise I could make. I want a cool look to the pipes. Was thinking of that 2 into 1 black pipe with the chrome tip. Thoughts?

Brakes: I am a little disappointed to hear about the brake performance of the bike. How necessary is it to add a disc to the front? Is it that critical?

Also, anybody care to share what they paid for a 2012 Hammer 8 Ball? Before taxes, title, etc. Dealer here in California claims that the 14500 MSRP is actually 14750 in California. So I offered $14000 plus the $550 seat, no setup or freight, and they took it, so I think I might have left some money on the table. Walked away to think about it some more.

Appreciate any input guys. Thanks and safe riding!
 

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2. The rear shock is horrible (may just need adjusting).
3. The front brakes lack initial bite and under hard braking dont quite cut it.

The Hammer S rear shock with 3.9 inches of travel vs. just the 3.0
I love the look of the Hammer 8 ball and generally think that the Hammer is the best looking victory, just me. But these shortcommings that you mention are dealbreakers for me, the Hammer S the only one I will consider. My case might be special only because we have exceptionally bad roads around here, and bikes with limited suspension travel beat you up too much if you are a frequent rider.

This does have me wondering if I could go step it up to a XR rear shock that has 4.7 inches of travel as an upgrade on the hammer s 3.9 in shock. Anyone know?
 

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Tire psi.

Maybe you could try running that rear tire at the max psi on the sidewall if it is at a lower pressure now. That would give you a little more height and possibly make the rear tire have a rounder profile,just until that tire wears out and you can go for Metzler rear tire.---Also on the power thing. Try disconnecting your O2 sensors, you may be surprised at the difference in power,this see to be true on the cross bikes. I noticed the difference in sixth gear,it pulls it easier. It seems to have more power all around to me personally.
 

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I love the look of the Hammer 8 ball and generally think that the Hammer is the best looking victory, just me. But these shortcommings that you mention are dealbreakers for me, the Hammer S the only one I will consider. My case might be special only because we have exceptionally bad roads around here, and bikes with limited suspension travel beat you up too much if you are a frequent rider.

This does have me wondering if I could go step it up to a XR rear shock that has 4.7 inches of travel as an upgrade on the hammer s 3.9 in shock. Anyone know?
So you will upgrade to the Hammer S for how much more when the fixes are SO simple? Think about it, the rear shock means NOTHING because the stock S one wouldnt stay on it for long either so the replacement cost is the same. :) So for the cost of a front rotor and some brake pads you are going to spend 4K+ more? Not a smart financial decision.

Hello guys.

I almost bought the Hammer 8 ball last night. Had second thoughts. Used to have an M109R and it was a blast, went to sport bikes for a while then scared myself a few too many times, and now back in market for a big cruiser and would prefer an American bike and never liked Harleys or the attitude.

Problem is, I just got married and want to take my wife with me on this new bike and the "sensible" bike would be one of the big tourers from Victory, but I love the style and look of the Vegas and Hammer 8 Ball bikes. She loves the tourers, but is eager for us to get any bike and fully supports my decision which I am pleasantly surprised at! :)

I just love the overall look of the Hammer, slightly better than the Vegas. Although the Vegas handled a lot better and I like that large diameter front wheel. Don't want to spend the money on a Jackpot, plus I hear with wide rear tire and large front wheel the Jackpot handles worse than a Hammer.

So I think I am set on a the Hammer, but want to make a few mods and make it as comfortable as possible for me and wife on short to medium rides (i.e. pegs, seats).

Seat: The factory rear seat option for the Hammer ($550); anybody sat on it/seen it? Opinions? Also, is the stock rider seat that bad?

Pegs: I hear that the bike can't lean too far without scraping pegs. I am 6'2" and 210 pounds. I used to scrape pegs on my M109R all the time and it didn't bother me. What is the concern with the Hammer other than grinding off some metal? Does the Hammer lean more/less without scraping than a M109R? I rode a demo Vegas and Hammer but wasn't daring enough to test it out.

Turn signals: I like that rear LED turn signal strip but the dealer charges more than $300 for it. Any better option out there? Any cool mods for the front turn signals?

Pipes: Frankly, I love the blacked out look of the 8 Ball but the pipes are a bit boring to me. Anybody have aftermarket pipes? Don't want something so loud that it pisses off the neighbors. I was never into seeing how much noise I could make. I want a cool look to the pipes. Was thinking of that 2 into 1 black pipe with the chrome tip. Thoughts?

Brakes: I am a little disappointed to hear about the brake performance of the bike. How necessary is it to add a disc to the front? Is it that critical?

Also, anybody care to share what they paid for a 2012 Hammer 8 Ball? Before taxes, title, etc. Dealer here in California claims that the 14500 MSRP is actually 14750 in California. So I offered $14000 plus the $550 seat, no setup or freight, and they took it, so I think I might have left some money on the table. Walked away to think about it some more.

Appreciate any input guys. Thanks and safe riding!
The Hammer will outhandle that Vegas with ease. :) I rode both and in town, through curves and on the highway the Hammer is much easier and that 18" front tire is much better for high speed corners. Also it didnt seem to walk as much with wind.
 

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So you will upgrade to the Hammer S for how much more when the fixes are SO simple? Think about it, the rear shock means NOTHING because the stock S one wouldnt stay on it for long either so the replacement cost is the same. :) So for the cost of a front rotor and some brake pads you are going to spend 4K+ more? Not a smart financial decision.
Well, if we're talking about buying new bikes then you are probably right that it would be cheaper to convert the 8 ball. Not sure how much you'd save though, especially if you factor in the labor if you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself.

I am however looking to buy used, and in the used market the price difference is much smaller between the two, so I'd be willing to pay a little bit extra for the S so that I don't have the change quiet as much on the 8-ball.
 

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Well, if we're talking about buying new bikes then you are probably right that it would be cheaper to convert the 8 ball. Not sure how much you'd save though, especially if you factor in the labor if you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself.

I am however looking to buy used, and in the used market the price difference is much smaller between the two, so I'd be willing to pay a little bit extra for the S so that I don't have the change quiet as much on the 8-ball.
I was in a hurry to post so I may have come across short. cheers

If you lived closer to me I would take you to where I got mine. They have a used S model (106 6-speed) with 1,750 miles on it and its beautiful. Pearl Orange with some extras and they said a Stage I kit (not sure what that is) but they were asking 12k and probably would take closer to 10k. They had a 2009 with 17k miles they sold for 8k and it had pipes, bars.....etc
 

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I was in a hurry to post so I may have come across short. cheers

If you lived closer to me I would take you to where I got mine. They have a used S model (106 6-speed) with 1,750 miles on it and its beautiful. Pearl Orange with some extras and they said a Stage I kit (not sure what that is) but they were asking 12k and probably would take closer to 10k. They had a 2009 with 17k miles they sold for 8k and it had pipes, bars.....etc
Yeah, no worries thumb up

I wish i could find something like that around here. I would already be riding one. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
 

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Hi Macpilot ,

sent you a link to my victory riders home page...

http://vrnetwork.ning.com/profile/DerekNelson

My advice, put a victory pillion seat on and go 4 inch forward controls...

i love this bike..gets better every ride..

Derekcheerscheers
 
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