[Nein-Toed-Devil]

Hello everyone, I have a 2015 Vegas 8Ball that I'm in the process of upgrading. So far I have the Bassiani turn outs on it, and have a Lloydz variable timer and fuel controller on deck. I'm hesitant to install either because I've read some horror stories of people wrecking their engine by having garbage settings. Does anyone has any recommendations as to what I should set the timing gear to? Should I install the fuel controller first? Is there a good spot to find maps for a similar set up? Any help is appreciated, thank you!

 

[IndyVictory]

Canned tune and don't be an idiot with the timing wheel. Start small. You will mess up the motor if you go set timing crazy high and constantly pinging. Just use common sense try incremental increases not jumping it.
Better yet get a Maximus tune and no wheel required.

 

[53canuck]

The variable timing wheel is easy to do and if you stick to the recommended advance of 4 degrees to start with you'll be fine. Never heard of anyone causing damage by doing that.
Going by the wording in your post you have the Lloyds fuel controller and I think he only ever went with the Gen3 with his name on it. If that's correct go to his website and get the instructions for setting it up. They're straight forward and easy to follow. Again, never heard of anyone doing damage with the settings. Might run poorly if you get it wrong but you just do them over.

 

[Joe_]

With timing you want to take into account that your motor needs less advance on a very hot day than on a mild day, or a cold day.
If your forced to run regular because your out in the boonies then the same applies.
That’s a couple of many reasons you don’t want to go for “everything you can get“ out of the timing wheel on a street driven bike.

4 seems to be a good number on both of our bikes. All motors are unique though.

At 4 you’ll definitely notice the advance in timing. I can still run up a 10 degree grade on a 110 degree day. It still runs acceptably on regular when premium isn’t available. Etc.

They are truly great bikes.

 

[RoteBaron]

DUMP THE "SCABOVER" FUEL CONTROLLER. ! IT WILL FAIL or at the very least at some point in the future create issues adn you'll dump it anyway. GET A MAXIMUS TUNER, and as IndyVictory said DUMP THE WHEEL AS WELL! YOU DON'T NEED IT WITH A MAXIMUS. IF you really want it tuned right (regardless of the scabover or the maximus) contact Noe Martinez at Victory ECU Tuning - Noemtz.com Waller, Texas 77484, or if you're in the midwest consider the Rylan Voss at the Vicshop ( Victory Motorcycle Performance & Service - The Vic Shop) in Iowa or Ryan Randall, Tuning Specialist at Lloydz Garage-Indian Motorcycle Charlotte. These three guys are THE EXPERTS (there's a couple others but one isn;t doing it anymore) in the US (if not the world) and the rest of us are pure shade tree. Best of luck and let us know how it goes. ;-)

 

[depot picker]

The only thing the wheel does that a PCV doesn't is allowing timing changes below 2500 RPM. This is well below the power band on these engines. The only time it is even relevant would be in 1st gear for bout a half-second. I see no value in it.

 

[cal_105215]

I guess it is a matter of opinion. I have both.

 

[NAB]

DUMP THE "SCABOVER" FUEL CONTROLLER. ! IT WILL FAIL or at the very least at some point in the future create issues adn you'll dump it anyway. GET A MAXIMUS TUNER, and as IndyVictory said DUMP THE WHEEL AS WELL! YOU DON'T NEED IT WITH A MAXIMUS. IF you really want it tuned right (regardless of the scabover or the maximus) contact Noe Martinez at Victory ECU Tuning - Noemtz.com Waller, Texas 77484, or if you're in the midwest consider the Rylan Voss at the Vicshop ( Victory Motorcycle Performance & Service - The Vic Shop) in Iowa or Ryan Randall, Tuning Specialist at Lloydz Garage-Indian Motorcycle Charlotte. These three guys are THE EXPERTS (there's a couple others but one isn;t doing it anymore) in the US (if not the world) and the rest of us are pure shade tree. Best of luck and let us know how it goes. ;-)

Noe is good at what he does. He's never worked on any of my scooters but know many and ridden with many he has worked on.

 

[RoteBaron]

The only thing the wheel does that a PCV doesn't is allowing timing changes below 2500 RPM. This is well below the power band on these engines. The only time it is even relevant would be in 1st gear for bout a half-second. I see no value in it.

Hmmmm so IF you add say 3 degrees to your timing with the wheel it ONLY applies below 2500 rpms.....not exactly...it advances the timing across the board by 3 degrees.....IF you have a 2009 or later Victory the wheel and the scabover are nothing less than a liability. The scabover adds unnecessary wiring and complications that WILL FAIL and leave you Harleyized on the side of the road. If you have one and can't afford a Maximus direct tune then ceste la vie (French for such is ife ;-) ). But IF you can, dump it, Maximus directly tunes your bike sans any wheels or scabovers . Then when when your bike "acts funny", check the battery.... ;-)

 

[depot picker]

Hmmmm so IF you add say 3 degrees to your timing with the wheel it ONLY applies below 2500 rpms.....not exactly...it advances the timing across the board by 3 degrees.....IF you have a 2009 or later Victory the wheel and the scabover are nothing less than a liability. The scabover adds unnecessary wiring and complications that WILL FAIL and leave you Harleyized on the side of the road. If you have one and can't afford a Maximus direct tune then ceste la vie (French for such is ife ;-) ). But IF you can, dump it, Maximus directly tunes your bike sans any wheels or scabovers . Then when when your bike "acts funny", check the battery.... ;-)

I've had my PC5 for 9.5 years. It works fine.
So yes, the wheel applies timing changes through the entire RPM range where the PC5 only applies timing changes above 2500. My point is that there is extremely little value to timing changes below 2500 as the power band is much higher.

 

[RoteBaron]

I've had my PC5 for 9.5 years. It works fine.
So yes, the wheel applies timing changes through the entire RPM range where the PC5 only applies timing changes above 2500. My point is that there is extremely little value to timing changes below 2500 as the power band is much higher.

Cool. 9.5 years no less....very lucky ;-) Just to say adding a 3 degree advance on my Vision I managed to eliminate stalling at low rpms and the infamous rev matcjhing issue.....more hmmmm... Will be doing a real tune with a maximus and broadband O2s this spring on it and my highball.....bye bye wheel ;-) Glad yours works and hasn't failed....yet....many cause all sorts of running issues and have to be pulled. Again, I suggest anyone reading this contact the experts. They have the best information ;-) LMYR