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I now realize that a great deal of harley owners truly do think their bikes are the best in every aspect, including build quality and reliability. Somewhere in the discussion i was actually told, "i ride harleys, because they are the best engineered and most reliable bikes on the road." Regardless of how many engineering and statistical facts i presented, they still insist on drinking the kool-aid. I was also told,"your victory will have problems long before any of my harleys will," meanwhile, my new-to-me hammer has 40k miles of neglect, and his TC88 fatboy has 12k as it develops a rattle in the top end, and his road glide has less than 5k mikes with a smell of burning oil when i ride behind him.

He also mentioned that the harleys are the only ones NOT overheating on long rides in south texas while all the "yamahas, kawasakis, and victories" are pulled off the road cooling off. Somehow i find it very difficult to believe that air-cooled bikes resist over-heating better than water-cooled or oil/air-cooled bikes.

Don't get me wrong... I REALLY like twin cam harleys, but their owners make the bikes very difficult not to hate.
 

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I bought my first victory because a friend of mine a diehard Harley rider told me that I should go with victory over Harley. because less down time and a lot more riding time with victory
 

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Just leave them be. Ignorance is bliss, so don't ruin it for them. Enjoy your Vic. cheers
 

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I now realize that a great deal of harley owners truly do think their bikes are the best in every aspect, including build quality and reliability. Somewhere in the discussion i was actually told, "i ride harleys, because they are the best engineered and most reliable bikes on the road." Regardless of how many engineering and statistical facts i presented, they still insist on drinking the kool-aid. I was also told,"your victory will have problems long before any of my harleys will," meanwhile, my new-to-me hammer has 40k miles of neglect, and his TC88 fatboy has 12k as it develops a rattle in the top end, and his road glide has less than 5k mikes with a smell of burning oil when i ride behind him.

He also mentioned that the harleys are the only ones NOT overheating on long rides in south texas while all the "yamahas, kawasakis, and victories" are pulled off the road cooling off. Somehow i find it very difficult to believe that air-cooled bikes resist over-heating better than water-cooled or oil/air-cooled bikes.

Don't get me wrong... I REALLY like twin cam harleys, but their owners make the bikes very difficult not to hate.
Total prisoners of the "Hardley hype".. Enjoy your Victory and let them enjoy their fantasy...


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I think your "friend" was trying to convince himself.
 

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Yep, it's truly sad. I rode HD's for 30 years and even then I'd listen to this crap n shake my head. I can relate numerous stories of issues I've had with them. But really, why bother. I know what I know and I'm quite happy with my XCT.
 

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Arguing with a Harley rider is like arguing with a liberal. They think on emotion (Harley cult) instead of facts and logic. You'll never convince them of anything becaue you would have to change their thought process before they could understand your points. Ironically, we do have some liberals on here that see the value of a Victory yet still think that other way on other things.
 

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Just keep riding with him and see who has problems first then just give him a smile and thumbs up and offer your phone so he can call for help. thumb up
 

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Yes you can not change the way some think(or feel). Let them dream on. Yes that beautiful lady you see on TV is a knock out, now she is on here 6th marriage,must be a reason for that.----Some love the machine no matter how much trouble,:ltr: ---Another bike brand,talk to some of the old Triumph guys. Old Triumh guys, some not all, will tell you best bike every made. I had one of the old ones from the old factory,yes it was great fun to ride. Got very tired of working on it. Also bought one of the new ones in "05". The "new Triumph" was a great bike to ride,not as much charater, but I could ride it without a tool kit with me. So was the old one(1978) the best? No not for me. Was it pretty? Yes in my eyes. Do I still have it, no I divorced her and she move to NewZealand by way of ship.cheers
 

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i got a few harley friends and i don't try to debate with them. its like talking to a wall.

i have had a few good comments from them and a few misconceptions from them also.

one friend says .... i see you got a canadian bike . at least it ain't a jap bike. i said its made in america .. look it up.

another one good looking bike . it almost sounds like a harley.

another asksd why did you buy a victory instead of a harley. i said cheaper to purchase and cheaper to maintain. he had no reply lol.
 

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In the latest issue of "Better Trailers and Harleys", it was rated NUMBER ONE as the Best Bike to Ride on a Trailer.
 

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I typically say that you should go with whatever makes you smile as a means of avoiding pointless arguments. I have a few friends who's only argument as to why a person should buy a harley is the fact that it's a harley. According to them my bike is crap because it's not a harley. I hate to say that my respect for them has been reduced by this way of thinking. I once asked a friend this question. If someone made a bike that looked and sounded exactly like a Hatley yet would out perform and cost substantially less than a harley, would you buy it? His response was no because it wouldn't be a harley. Brainwashing compleat.


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Just enjoy your Vic. They are In laws so they don't have a clue anyway!
Just kidding about the last part, your not going to change their opinion, just sit back & smile when they are having the trouble with the bike:)


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another asksd why did you buy a victory instead of a harley. i said cheaper to purchase and cheaper to maintain. he had no reply lol.
What is the price difference between Harley and Victory in the US?
 

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What is the price difference between Harley and Victory in the US?
Depends. An Ultra classic vs XCT is $1500-$2000 if HD doesn't mark it up at the sale and depending on dealer add ons. MSRP is what I'm quoting. However, on the HD, you get lined bags, bag luggage, LED headlight and driving lights, a voice activated blue tooth command radio, and some things I'm probably missing. Some say they get the XCT for less than MSRP, doesn't seem to happen in my area, but some say they get smoking deals on HD, doesn't happen here either, in fact you'd be hard pressed to get one that isn't marked up.

So, you really don't have much of a price difference, however the upkeep and upgrading is less expensive on the Vic.

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What is the price difference between Harley and Victory in the US?
Model dependent, but MSRPs aside, Vic tends to cut deals where HDs generally don't on anything except leftover models.

I'm not sure I'd agree with the maintenance cost differences. Yes, the Harley requires that you pour oil in more holes, but as I understand it, it doesn't require you to remove the forks to change the their oil. New Harley tourers also use sealed head bearings so you don't have to grease those either. Aside from those items and plugs and belts now and again, there doesn't seem to be a lot of maintenance on either as far as I can tell.

Where Vic has it over the Harley is the frame IMHO. Sure the Vic engine is a little more powerful, but its nothing that significant. From all accounts, the frames of the Harleys, even the new ones, can get set into oscillation when pushing them in the corners. This is not an issue on the Vics.

If one doesn't push their bike, its a matter of taste as much as anything. But if you enjoy working the bike a little, Vic seems to be the better choice.
 

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Ya know, you can argue the weather and the price of tea in Chinee because neither you or the person who is arguing back have a dog in them fights and even if you did neither one can change the weather or the price. That there is easy arguing, practice arguing.

But once a man lays down his money, he starts hardening up his arguments. Some peeps get themselves believing that that are carrying the banner for mom, apple pie and truth, justice, and the American way because they spent their money the way they did. Others start out carrying a banner and just buy the goods that meet muster. Well, once you made your statement with your wallet seems like objective reasoning is not going to hold much sway. It's fine though. You bought your soap and you take your shower, you can tell your pecker it's being washed by Miss America's bottled breath if you want to. Thing is when you tell other peeps that their soap isn't bottled breath, even if you prove it, all you did was get yourself dropped off another Christmas card list. Even if it says so right on the bottle, people only read what they want to and only believe the part they agree with and that goes for liberals and conservatives alike.

Unless they come to take my bikes away I figure why bother pointing out the obvious. It doesn't make my decisions any less right or wrong or theirs any moreso. Besides, you know what? Harley makes a pretty good machine. It's lasted through a century plus and some highs and lows. There was Harleys present at some of the defining moments of the 20th and 21st century, guarding the Apollo rockets, in Kennedys motorcade in Dallas, shuttling communications around Pearl Harbor, bringing tunes to Elvis mind, escorts at 9/11 memorials and on and on it goes.

So even if they are wrong they are right. Most folks are right up to a point. That point is my doorstep.
 

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Copied from a similar thread last October.

The reason is they just plain don't know any better. Yes there are many Harley riders that have had exposure to the other brands are very well informed and genuinely like the bike. Good for them. I've met a few who build their Harley's and I could talk to those guys for hours. They are a minority and that's not what this is about.

In my area of riding, most of the Harley riders I have talked to, long time riders and the quickly growing number of mid-lifers with $$$ who are looking for a wild side, are singularly focused on the brand name. (must be the clothing) So much so they did little if any research into the competition from which to make an intelligent decision. Lots of people I have met who purchased a motorcycle that was new or relatively new and in the mid to large cruiser size, did their homework, could list the competitions models, the pro's and con's of each and why they made the decision they did. Whenever I have encountered someone who didn't have a clue they invariably replied with "cuz it's a harley". Almost none even know about the many other options out there. It seems the only other bike they have even heard about is the Goldwing. That's it. Harley or Honda. They can't explain their reasons for their choice nor respond intelligently to the alternatives. All you can do is smile, and walk away
 

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"... they did little if any research into the competition from which to make an intelligent decision ." Indeed. That is exactly what led me away from HD and into riding a Victory. I was not "sold" on Harley's but I was wanting a big v-twin and HD is THE Name, so to speak. However, once I started to research the engineering, mechanics, dependability, et all, Victory was/is clearly a superior motorcycle. Fortunately, I found a used Vic in my price range and can't wait for the warmer weather to arrive...
 
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