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Was curious this morning about the Harley 103" and the power they make. I rode with someone a couple of weeks ago who claimed his 103" had 90 something horsepower to the wheels with nothing really done to it. Well i did some digging and found this dyno sheet on the HD forums. Bone stock they only dyno about 65 horsepower. Just to make 96 Horsepower he had to do the following..

96 HP - 110 lb/ft Torque
D & D Fat Cat 2 into 1 full exhaust system
T-Man TR-555TQ performance cams
SE Stage I EFI kit, SE EFI Super Tuner

Our Freedom motors are making about 10whp more stock than the 103" and with a S&S Intake and exhaust we can make 98whp. Another reason to like your Victory cheers
 

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The new 103" Harleys (Rushmore) make like 74-75 horse out of the crate.
Airbox, pipes, PC-V, and cams will get you to 92-94 horse and 118-ish on torque (Woods 777). With the throttle by wire you can go big on cams and they work fine on the bottom.
 

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The new 103" Harleys (Rushmore) make like 74-75 horse out of the crate.
Airbox, pipes, PC-V, and cams will get you to 92-94 horse and 118-ish on torque (Woods 777). With the throttle by wire you can go big on cams and they work fine on the bottom.
Just goes to show that they have inferior cylinder heads compared to the Victory if it takes that much cam to make less power than ours.
 

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Just goes to show that they have inferior cylinder heads compared to the Victory if it takes that much cam to make less power than ours.
Yeah, you're not going far with the stock heads and stock throttle body on a Harley.

I still have stock heads and throttle bodies on my bike... There's the big difference between the powerplants.
 

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That buddy of mine that was dogn Vics went riding with me yesterday and he has the 103 limited. I whooped his ass 3 different times 2 dead stop Infact he pulled out on me a bike length leaving early and i reeled him in. and once at highway speed. he thought he could pull me and it just didnt happen. It ran good but he couldnt keep up.
 

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Harley has never been known for being fast. They just sound big with their 103". Now they have there 124" it's their race motor with a few parts left out.
I have a feeling the 2016 motors will come with more power.

I wonder if Vic's had a primary chain would we be slower.
I know the motor would be quieter
 

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90HP is HD Kool-Aid

It seems like a LOT of HD sales people are quoting 90 to 100 HP stock but that HAS to be at the crank rather than at the wheel. Of course, they never point this out to their herding masses so when it hits the streets the owners think they have more HP than they actually do.

I don't get into races much but never had a single 103 stay anywhere NEAR me on the streets. Even the 110's have a hard time keeping up and I don't even have CAMs or even a timing wheel. Just the Lloyds Air Filter, Ness exhuast, PC-V & Autotune.

I was even leading a Dyno "performance" competition for "American" bikes ONLY until an older model HD with about $5K of engine work was brought up on the Dyno. Even then the "tuner" had to do a bit of "adjusting" to get it to out perform my bike so that they could ensure that a HD actually won the event ...it WAS a HD event after all...LOL
 

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Harley has never been known for being fast. They just sound big with their 103". Now they have there 124" it's their race motor with a few parts left out.
I have a feeling the 2016 motors will come with more power.

I wonder if Vic's had a primary chain would we be slower.
I know the motor would be quieter
When you say primary chain are you referring to the timing chain for the camshafts? Overheads Cam motors are going to have longer timing chains thats just the nature of the beast. The alternative is to go with pushrods which would place the camshaft directly above the crank resulting in a small timing chain but i think OHC is the way to go. Even though i'm a big fan of GM Lsx pushrod motors thumb up
 

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It seems like a LOT of HD sales people are quoting 90 to 100 HP stock but that HAS to be at the crank rather than at the wheel. Of course, they never point this out to their herding masses so when it hits the streets the owners think they have more HP than they actually do.

I don't get into races much but never had a single 103 stay anywhere NEAR me on the streets. Even the 110's have a hard time keeping up and I don't even have CAMs or even a timing wheel. Just the Lloyds Air Filter, Ness exhuast, PC-V & Autotune.

I was even leading a Dyno "performance" competition for "American" bikes ONLY until an older model HD with about $5K of engine work was brought up on the Dyno. Even then the "tuner" had to do a bit of "adjusting" to get it to out perform my bike so that they could ensure that a HD actually won the event ...it WAS a HD event after all...LOL

Love hearing stories like this. I almost bought a Vrod but i just couldn't do it because of the HD badge. I've always hated them. I just cant stand how people blindly buy them. I've never been one to jump on bandwagons. But i really cant stand the typical HD person that is always decked out in their HD tshirt, jacket, hat, gloves, HD Ford truck etc
 

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Love hearing stories like this. I almost bought a Vrod but i just couldn't do it because of the HD badge. I've always hated them. I just cant stand how people blindly buy them. I've never been one to jump on bandwagons. But i really cant stand the typical HD person that is always decked out in their HD tshirt, jacket, hat, gloves, HD Ford truck etc
The V-rod may well be a different animal. I hear they are strong but have never ridden nor raced one myself. I did almost win one though. The first year it was released a local charity did a "reverse raffle" @ $50/ticket & I bought 2. They pull the tickets out of a hat and the last one standing WINs the bike. First person knocked out got $100. Every 50th person got their money back. I don't recall the exact number of tickets sold but my first was knocked out with 45 people left & my second was....#11. SO close to the top ten who they put on stage. People in the audience were offering those on stage $100, $200 and more just for a new chance at the bike. When it got down to 3 people, one (smart) guy took $800 in exchange for his ticket. The buyer was the next one knocked out and the crowd roarer in laughter. However, another guy offered $1,500 to either of that last two for their ticket. Both declined as they had 50/50 chances. In the end it went to someone worthy who actually needed it as primary transportation & the charity got the $'s
 

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Stock vs stock, the V-Rod will win. It is pretty easy to get 135 - 140
HP out of a 1250cc motor @ the rear wheel. A 1130cc it is easy to get 125HP. All bolt in parts, no bore or stroke work.
 

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When you say primary chain are you referring to the timing chain for the camshafts? Overheads Cam motors are going to have longer timing chains thats just the nature of the beast. The alternative is to go with pushrods which would place the camshaft directly above the crank resulting in a small timing chain but i think OHC is the way to go. Even though i'm a big fan of GM Lsx pushrod motors thumb up
The primary chain is what connects the crank to the transmission on an H-D, ours are gear drive.
 

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Right off the bat you have 2V heads on the HD and 4V heads on the Vic. The Vic will breath better.
 

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When you say primary chain are you referring to the timing chain for the camshafts? Overheads Cam motors are going to have longer timing chains thats just the nature of the beast. The alternative is to go with pushrods which would place the camshaft directly above the crank resulting in a small timing chain but i think OHC is the way to go. Even though i'm a big fan of GM Lsx pushrod motors
The primary chain is what connects the crank to the transmission on an H-D, ours are gear drive.
That's why I didn't understand his comment i know our transmissions are gear driven
 

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Get over it. HD has engines that people like. It is that simple. I own a Vic Vision because I avoided the HD Koolaid even when I owned one. HD has nothing stock that will compare to a stock Victory and when they start trying to improve performance they spend far more to get it. That does not mean that no HD can ever perform as well as a Vic. If you believe that, you have been drinking the Victory Koolaid.
 

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Dollar to dollar a Victory will always win... However the motors S&S or Jims makes for the HD product can smoke our mostly heavily modded victory with the exception of a turbo or supercharger. There is nothing wrong with Harley Davidson motorcycles except the people who act like assholes giving them a bad rap.
 

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The V-rod may well be a different animal. I hear they are strong but have never ridden nor raced one myself.
Yeah it's a Porsche design that's why.
 

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Yeah it's a Porsche design that's why.
Exactly.....but the one I blew off easily through a winding mountain road didn't stand a chance....V-rods are great in a straight line
 

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