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Some Nice Improvements but until see some Crank, Cam Tensioner and Primary Corrections won't see my rushing out to get one .. Guts before Bling ..
 

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Some Nice Improvements but until see some Crank, Cam Tensioner and Primary Corrections won't see my rushing out to get one .. Guts before Bling ..
Yeah, the infotainment stuff is nice I guess, but wearing a helmet, fairing mounted radios sound crappy, so it wouldn't do anything for me.

I do like two of their bikes though:



 

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If i wanted a tour rig, the integrated nav is cool. Seems like there is a lot to distract a rider...I'm sure on a long trip it would be handy to have all that stuff. But not ALL motorcycle riders are as cautious as we are...I could see someone trying to find their favourite track or something and taking their eyes off the road just a second too long. And a second is all it take.
 

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This is coming from a 2 time harley owner and former fanatic:

Same old left-side drive in the menagerie that is the primary and final drive system.
Same old chain primary and chain cam system (I assume).
Same old two-valve clunkly valve line.
Same old ergonomics designed to fit the average American back in the 50's who was significantly shorter on average in the bell curve.
Same gazillion gaskets as opposed to something like 8, because of the same tired but not so true drivetrain design.
Same ole.. same ole.. same ole..
Except now since they're forced to be fuel injected, even Harleys no longer sound like harleys.
But I imagine more expensive now.

... Therefore: I'm not in the least interested in whatever new paint-job or goodies they're offering.

... Owned two Harleys. My first, and my last. thumb up
 

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Same old ergonomics designed to fit the average American back in the 50's who was significantly shorter on average in the bell curve.
It is amazing how much bigger Americans have gotten over the years. My wife and I toured a war ship once and they listed the men's height and weight and everyone was under 6' and 150 lbs or so. Seemed odd, but then I weighed a lot less as a kid too. Maybe the Navy only selected smaller guys that fit into the limited spaces?
 

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Think they took the batwing vent from the XCT and XC along with the audio cable? The nav screen looks very Gold Wing, and I don't understand how the voice recognition works at highway speeds.

What I do like are the updates to the fairings, bags and tour pack. Shows that they are willing to make changes after so many years. No more fighting to get the bags to open or close, I do like that.

Nav screens like that belong in cars or unable to operate when moving, I've been told that it is to easy to focus on the screen and forget you are on a bike. I really don't like the phone feature but that is me.
 

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Yeah, the infotainment stuff is nice I guess, but wearing a helmet, fairing mounted radios sound crappy, so it wouldn't do anything for me.

I do like two of their bikes though:



I have no trouble with a helmet on my XC.
 

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I am looking forward to seeing them in the showroom and sitting down on one. I also see a future test ride or two. Will I buy one....NO...I don't see that happening, but glad to see some new interesting stuff from HD.
 

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Has I was talking bikes with a good friend that is a HD owner and has problem after problem with his 08 road glide, throttle cable and such still 200.00+ everytime for them or him to repair whatever the issues was..

As we sat and talk his wife ask me about Vic. warranty and I said 5 yr. on the new ones but earlier models I wasn't sure..

She looked at him and said if HD offer a 5 year warranty them MF's would be bankrupt by morning, and further more the only reason they sell bikes is to sell their clothing..

I left I didn't need to be a witness or be testifying...
 

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I have no trouble with a helmet on my XC.
It's not that I can't hear it, it's that the fidelity sucks. It'd be okay for listening to talk radio I suppose, but for music, fahgitabotit. Might as well put a counterfeit set of Dr Dre Beat headphones on the outside of a fishbowl if you want that groove. And I've listened to the stereos on Goldwings, Visions, Cross Countries, Ultras, it don't matter, they all sound muffled and flat to me.

Plug some earbuds into anything that will play a cheap, compressed MP3 while listening to some modern crap recorded with zero dynamic range and it will still sound like a symphony at Carnegie Hall by comparison. I'd be a lot happier if the fairing baggers provided a simple headphone jack.
 

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I sat on my buddy's Ultra Glide Classic yesterday and that damn thing is so top heavy you wouldn't believe it.
Then I watched him, and his wife go over on to the crash bars...

Had to throw the Hammer into N ( North?) to help him stand it back up.
Wow that thing is a PIG
 

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I'm not sure what it was but when we stopped to eat in South Haven, there was a beautiful 110inch , 110 anniversary HD that was all brownish with a leather? air cleaner cover, skulls, and was a sweet ass ride.
Are these new ones built with a better warranty, or more reliable?
 

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SB could you please enlighten me on anything I have not yet been educated on?
 

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I sat on my buddy's Ultra Glide Classic yesterday and that damn thing is so top heavy you wouldn't believe it.
Great point. They are considerably heavier to lift off a stand than a Vic. A while back I saved the Vic during a low speed turning maneuver and was shocked at how easy I could keep my 800 lb beast from tumbling over. I'm sure I couldn't have done that with a Harley.
 

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Love the look of the Harley's
Nice add ons
But Harley better understand that if they don't fix there reliability issues there going to need more than candy to keep there clientele .. .. ..

The candy war is on. See what Vic does next.....
 

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Love the look of the Harley's
Nice add ons
But Harley better understand that if they don't fix there reliability issues there going to need more than candy to keep there clientele .. .. ..

The candy war is on. See what Vic does next.....
Read recently that the two worst brands for reliability issues were Harley and BMW. Oddly, those are two top sellers.

The person relaying the information did make an interesting comment. Basically he said that given most Harleys are sold to people who ride gently and infrequently. They also tend to overlook the functionality of their machine. BMW riders OTOH are FAR more likely to go long, hard, and dirty and be peeved at any little thing that doesn't work as advertised. As such, it is kind of unfair to compare the commentary of the two groups directly if one desires meaningful results.
 

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Read recently that the two worst brands for reliability issues were Harley and BMW. Oddly, those are two top sellers.

The person relaying the information did make an interesting comment. Basically he said that given most Harleys are sold to people who ride gently and infrequently. They also tend to overlook the functionality of their machine. BMW riders OTOH are FAR more likely to go long, hard, and dirty and be peeved at any little thing that doesn't work as advertised. As such, it is kind of unfair to compare the commentary of the two groups directly if one desires meaningful results.
That makes a lot of sense I would have to agree.
People that do long distance go for the functionality of a BMW.
 
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