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Just kinda wondering you guys that jumped ship from HD to the Vic cross bikes:
1)What one thing do you miss most about the HD?

2)How would you compare smoothness at 75-80mph between the two?

On my new XC, I start to get some noticeable vibes at 75 on up, mostly in the floorboards & also in the rear view mirrors. I am not whining about it, in fact it encourages me to keep her down to 70 & enjoy the countryside at a safer speed. The bike is still the smoothest one I've owned. At idle, I don't think you could find a smoother V-twin out there. And besides, no motor mounts to wear out.
Other than wind management, I think the XC is a real winner!cheers
 

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Never been on a HD BUT I think the new frame for the X bikes and Vision have some vibration issues. I know that when the Vision first came out in 08 Victory discovered that there was harmonic vibration from the frame that was messing up and even destroying the hard drive Ipods.
 

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Been riding Harleys for years now, but really the main reason I switched over was because I saw that Victory was putting out a product that utilized better engineering techniques instead of being mired in tradition alone. Please don't get me wrong, I certainly love all that Harley has done for the sport, and thoroughly enjoy all the benefits riding one has brought into my life. Hell, 90+% of my friends ride Harleys, which made my decision to jump ship that much more difficult, but I've always been one to march to a beat of a different drummer. Besides, my wife still rides a Softail, so that allows me to hang out with the crowd as a hang-around... :)

Harley has been improving its product line slowly over the years, but it seems all they do for a new model is to reconfigure bits from previous models and call it new. They've really not come out with anything new since the V-Rod. And I used to bitch about the prices of their parts and accessories, that is until I started trying to outfit my XC. $350 for saddlebag top rails, WTF? But one thing to remember is that I don't have to do much to it to make it stand out, since I'm the only one riding one over here that I've seen so far.

Now for the vibration issue... My first Harley had a solid mounted engine, which rode almost exactly the same as my XC, which starts to get uncomfortable over about 75mph. My newer Harleys had rubber mounted engines, which had no vibration issues at higher speeds. Hell, if it wasn't for the fuel suckage and the engine complaining, I could cruise at 100mph, which I do occasionally (gotta love the Autobahn). The XC's engine doesn't complain at that speed, but the driver (me) does. Kind of a shame. Guess I'll be stuck cruising slower, which works better for the Frau anyway.

Hope I answered your questions, sorry I got a little long-winded. cheers
 

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I-pod issues

Never been on a HD BUT I think the new frame for the X bikes and Vision have some vibration issues. I know that when the Vision first came out in 08 Victory discovered that there was harmonic vibration from the frame that was messing up and even destroying the hard drive Ipods.
Diamond: I had a first generation I-pod on my XC & yes, the hard drive would freeze up after about 15 minutes of use. My son says that they have been known to do that (not bike related). The newer generation I-pod touch uses a different drive & does not have issues so I stole the wife's and it works great.thumb up
 

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Been riding Harleys for years now, but really the main reason I switched over was because I saw that Victory was putting out a product that utilized better engineering techniques instead of being mired in tradition alone. Please don't get me wrong, I certainly love all that Harley has done for the sport, and thoroughly enjoy all the benefits riding one has brought into my life. Hell, 90+% of my friends ride Harleys, which made my decision to jump ship that much more difficult, but I've always been one to march to a beat of a different drummer. Besides, my wife still rides a Softail, so that allows me to hang out with the crowd as a hang-around... :)

Harley has been improving its product line slowly over the years, but it seems all they do for a new model is to reconfigure bits from previous models and call it new. They've really not come out with anything new since the V-Rod. And I used to bitch about the prices of their parts and accessories, that is until I started trying to outfit my XC. $350 for saddlebag top rails, WTF? But one thing to remember is that I don't have to do much to it to make it stand out, since I'm the only one riding one over here that I've seen so far.

Now for the vibration issue... My first Harley had a solid mounted engine, which rode almost exactly the same as my XC, which starts to get uncomfortable over about 75mph. My newer Harleys had rubber mounted engines, which had no vibration issues at higher speeds. Hell, if it wasn't for the fuel suckage and the engine complaining, I could cruise at 100mph, which I do occasionally (gotta love the Autobahn). The XC's engine doesn't complain at that speed, but the driver (me) does. Kind of a shame. Guess I'll be stuck cruising slower, which works better for the Frau anyway.

Hope I answered your questions, sorry I got a little long-winded. cheers
Nice to hear from someone in the "Old Country". I bett you get nailed a lot by the BMW gang over there! My dealer just sold a used B'mer with the 2cyl boxer engine. I don't know what model it was but it made the Vision look like it actually belonged on this planet:ltr: When the mechanic started it up, it put out a ton of smoke & sounded like a sewing machine. He told me that all the oil drains down to the left cylinder when the bike is on the side stand & this was normal. The smoke was so frikin bad, you could have used it for mosquito control......what a joke!:crzy:
As for the price of Vic accessories, I agree too high, but at least they are available. When I bought a new Suzuki model, had to wait 2yrs before anything came out on the aftermarket.
Danke, mien fruend & auf viederzen!cheers
 

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Actually I was thinking about going Harley when I bought my Victory....I went into the dealership and he was such an asshole that I walked out...Well, right next door was a Victory dealership...so I figured Hey, what the hell....went in and took 3 different bikes for test rides...went home did some homework and research...went back about a week later and bought the Victory......and yes, I did stop by the Harley dealer on my way by.....and thanked him for being an asshole...Sent Harley a letter but I guess they care as much about customers as the dealer did as I got no answer....and hey my Victory doesn't leak oil either....!!!!
 

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Having run mutiple thousand mile weeks on both a Vision, and a couple of X bikes. I am allways surprised to hear complaints about vibration. I don't know if it is because I wear insulated boots, but I have run hundreds of miles a day at well over 80 with not a thought to vibration being intrusive
 

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I am not a complete convert as of yet.
I have been riding HD's off and on for a lot of years. Probably more than some of you are old.
I kept my 07 Ultra Classic, just couldn't part with it.

These bikes are like comparing apples to oranges. Vibration is much more so on my XC than my Ultra. The mirrors suck on my XC period, but that's a easy fix. I really do not mind the vibration that much. My wife likes it and so does my female friends. They are not girl friends mind you, just friends.
What do I miss about the HD?
CD/mp3, sitting position, and most important to me is the availability/prices on the chrome and other accessories. I am a down right out chrome whore. You have to order everything and wait for weeks for the stuff to come in for the XC.

I do like the XC and it is a lot of fun to ride. Even my wife likes it which kinda surprised me, I am not adding the trunk. Do not like it on this bike. It looks too kool with out it.
My Ultra has better power and the mpg seems to be about the same as the XC, but the Ultra should I have done a little work on the engine and the XC is stock.

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The Harley is at the end of it's run with the TC88, 96, & 103. 'Bout got all they can get outta that design. But unless you're into nothing but racing the TC is more than ample. Handling goes to Vic - no comparo. Fit & finish to HD, especially the paint. The Vic 106 and the Twin Cam balanced engines are similar in that they are very smooth at idle and show more vibration as you rev. them. The rubber mounted TC engines shake at idle but once you let out the clutch there's nothing as smooth on the road today. But Ive never found either the balanced TC or the Vic engine to be offensive.
Nothing sounds like a Harley....period! Braking is about equal I'd say since Harley outbid Victory for the Brembos. Lack of aftermarket stuff for Victory is severely lacking but growing daily.
I'd sum it up by saying that Harley represents old technology that's been stroked and polished. Victory represents new technology that eventually will put it miles ahead of HD. Right now I'd say both are excellent products.
JMHO after a lot of smile on both!
 

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Yeah. The mirrors do get a little fuzzy at 80. I'm still in break-in mode and waiting on a taller windshield. Why they put the blade shield on as a stock shield is beyond me. It should have an 11" at least.

Mine was making some strange noises yesterday when is was warm. I checked the oil today and it was about a half quart down. Makes me wonder if it was filled right when I got it since it still only has about 300 miles on it.

I miss having an HD but I know as soon as I get these wind issues taken care of; this will be a great bike. People want to know about it whenever I stop at places other bikers are hanging out.

There's a big difference in power between the Jackpot and the XC. I'm sure the hundred pound difference between the two has something to do with that. The JP would run circles around the XC though. There is that much difference. I'll make some changes to the engine in time and I think I'll keep the mufflers quiet.
 

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New XC

Yeah. The mirrors do get a little fuzzy at 80. I'm still in break-in mode and waiting on a taller windshield. Why they put the blade shield on as a stock shield is beyond me. It should have an 11" at least.



Mine was making some strange noises yesterday when is was warm. I checked the oil today and it was about a half quart down. Makes me wonder if it was filled right when I got it since it still only has about 300 miles on it.

I miss having an HD but I know as soon as I get these wind issues taken care of; this will be a great bike. People want to know about it whenever I stop at places other bikers are hanging out.

Congrat's on the new ride, BBob. Mine, too, developed some noise in the tranny when I hit around 300-350 miles & the noise is still there. I would call it a "ticking" noise, only there when fully warmed up in neutral. Once you put it in gear with the clutch pulled in, no more noise. Seems to be a quirk of the new transmission.
As for the stock windscreen, it's all about looks & you know Vic is going after the Street Glide market from HD. I put the Cee Bailey's 17" on mine & love it. Still get a ton of air down low on my legs, even with the factory lowers, so I ordered a set of the closeouts for the highway bars. Yes, I am wimpy, but I have a 28 mile ride to work every day & the temp's are in the 30's over here in Phoenix. Let us know if your dealer says anything about the noise when you go in the break-in service.
Good luck with the new ride.
 

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Ahhh ... it's good to know others get the same noise that goes away once in gear. I'll just ignore it then.

I do all my own maintenance. I've wrenchin' far too long to pay someone to do the basic checks.

I've given some thought to getting a tall windshield like yours for very long trips. I'm just going with a 13" for now. I'm doing the Memphis Shades brackets for the lowers and talked with Jurock about making some lowers that I will drill out. I think I will look at the Baker Air Wings instead of the Closeout's. They can be used year round without having to take them on and off. Just gotta figure out a way to mount them. I've sent them an email so we'll see. There are some threaded holes just ripe to take advantage of on the inside of the XC crash bars.

I've pretty much decided on the Utopia back rest because I like how it adjusts and the 2.25" pullbacks from SRVT.

There are some speakers someone is liking quite a bit over on the VMC called Kicker PS5250. I might check into them somewhere down the road.
 

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I have a 2007 Roadglide, and a 2007 Dyna, both with stage 2 103" engines. Purchased a new XC 3 weeks ago.

Compared to the RG

Pluses

XC has far superior suspension,handling (and I had aftermarket shocks, stabilzers, etc on the RG)

2. Gear shift indicator, computer modes for ave speeds, etc. Several minor items are stock on the XC, add on for the RG.

3. Reasonable price

Minus

Harley had more power, more HP and more low end torque ( keep in mind the 103 Kit cost over $2,000).

Better mileage.

Sounded better (to me). The RG had stock exhausts.

Easier to modify, unbelievable aftermarket.

Conclusion:

I think I can fix the power issue with $. With the RG I could NOT fix the suspension issue....I really tried. Very happy so far with the XC.
 

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I did the same thing with my '99 Electra Glide Standard. I did everything possible to the front and rear suspension including using some high end shocks like Ohlins and Ricor. The best rear suspension you could hope for would be 13 3/8 with 3" of travel whereas the XC/XR has almost 5". That is a huge difference. I do find the front end tends to dive a little more than I'm used to because I've been running the Ricor Intiminators which take care of that and more.

I agree; we can bump up the engines on the X bikes but the HD can not be fixed short of a newly designed frame and suspension system.
 

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I have a 2007 Roadglide, and a 2007 Dyna, both with stage 2 103" engines. Purchased a new XC 3 weeks ago.

Compared to the RG

Pluses

XC has far superior suspension,handling (and I had aftermarket shocks, stabilzers, etc on the RG)

2. Gear shift indicator, computer modes for ave speeds, etc. Several minor items are stock on the XC, add on for the RG.

3. Reasonable price

Minus

Harley had more power, more HP and more low end torque ( keep in mind the 103 Kit cost over $2,000).

Better mileage.

Sounded better (to me). The RG had stock exhausts.

Easier to modify, unbelievable aftermarket.

Conclusion:

I think I can fix the power issue with $. With the RG I could NOT fix the suspension issue....I really tried. Very happy so far with the XC.
Thanks for the feedback.
1)Regarding power & sound on the 106 motor. I had my dealer do what they call "Arizona slammer pipes", similar to Vic stage 1, only a little louder & deeper. Also added the gatling gun exhaust tips. The sound is absolutely intoxicating!
2)Also added a Power Commander & got a good boost in mid to high end torque, just make sure you get the right map. I think you would have to change cams to get more on the low end but I have great passing power now.
3) I'm a little lost by the comment on gas mileage......are you saying the HD got more MPG than the Vic? Mine dropped about 5mpg with the PC but still average around 41mpg. (This is 10mpg less than the LCD display indicates). However, I think my speedo reads a little slow so my actual mpg could be slightly higher.
 

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Thanks for the feedback.

3) I'm a little lost by the comment on gas mileage......are you saying the HD got more MPG than the Vic? Mine dropped about 5mpg with the PC but still average around 41mpg. (This is 10mpg less than the LCD display indicates). However, I think my speedo reads a little slow so my actual mpg could be slightly higher.
Both of the harleys got around 45 (with modifed 103s and powercommanders), the CX "so far" is getting maybe 40, probably high 30s. I do have a power commander with auto tune. The issue is not mileage per se, but range on a tank. As I posted on a separate thread, the premature low fuel light and gauge charateristics on the XC don't help. However, I am sure as I get more familiar with XC this won't be an issue, it was just my initial impressions.
 

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jokerman, did you get a PC111 or a PCV?

The air fuel ratio can be changed for improved mpg on the PCV and/or a extra map can be added with a switch so you can have a cruise map and a power map. A AT would be necessary to run 2 maps but the AT is a great addition. I much prefer a PCV over a PC111.

My 07 Ultra rides as good or better than my XC and with the missing link it handles great. But that is apples to oranges. The weight differences and by the design allows the XC to handle a lot better

We use the XC for local rides (under 500 miles) and around town so it is a pleasant change. Around town I/we can get around easily.
The biggest thing I like on the XC over the Ultra is the transmission gearing. That is down right out sweet. The Looks? what can I say it is 1 of the best looking bikes made now.
Again congrats on the new ride
 

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Still get a ton of air down low on my legs, even with the factory lowers, so I ordered a set of the closeouts for the highway bars. Yes, I am wimpy, but I have a 28 mile ride to work every day & the temp's are in the 30's over here in Phoenix. Let us know if your dealer says anything about the noise when you go in the break-in service.
Good luck with the new ride.


What are "closeouts"? I also have the CeeBaileys 17 and the Victory wind deflectors, same conclusions as you re: leg wind.
 

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Having run mutiple thousand mile weeks on both a Vision, and a couple of X bikes. I am allways surprised to hear complaints about vibration. I don't know if it is because I wear insulated boots, but I have run hundreds of miles a day at well over 80 with not a thought to vibration being intrusive
same here...i have no issue...i will often cruise 75-85...freeway rolls 100+ miles between speed areas ..with twists to 95 or so...just over 115 is my top..but this is not a habit.
 

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I don't think anyone is saying the vibration is over bearing. It's just more than what we are use to on other bikes.
80mph is my top cruise speed. I do like the fact you can set the cruise at low speeds, like 40-45 mph. It is necessary to use 4th gear at the lower speeds to eliminate speed drop/rise on hills. We have a lot of hills where I live. 50 mph or above it doesn't do it.

At 90 mph and above things go by rather fast. So it is possible that we could be paying more attention to what we are doing instead of the vibrations. I know I would but that could be just me,

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