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Okay so I'm one of the lucky few who won a XC (skulls) for the summer with Victory's True American Road Trip contest. Lots of fun miles. Anyway, the deal was I had to turn the bike back in at the end of the year. They've given us an opportunity to buy the bike kind of like the end of a lease. My question is this: what would you consider a fair price for a bike with almost 12k miles on it? Also, isn't it in Victory's best interest to make it easy for every one of the TART riders to buy their bikes? Wouldn't that be bad press if these bikes were simply turned back in?
 

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Wouldn't that be bad press if these bikes were simply turned back in?
Yes, it would make the front page of New York Times, and all Victory sales would freeze. C'mon man, are you serious? They've let you ride the thing for free for a year, and now it would be bad press if they took the thing back? :crzy:

You have the opportunity to buy a used bike of which you know the whole history on it. You know how it was ridden for each and every mile. Pricing wise, look it up on KBB to make sure you're getting a good deal. ;)

Victory knows you've ridden their product for 12k miles, and they know you're hooked. If you don't buy the one you rode, you'll buy a new one. Hehehe. cheers
 

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Yes, it would make the front page of New York Times, and all Victory sales would freeze. C'mon man, are you serious? They've let you ride the thing for free for a year, and now it would be bad press if they took the thing back? :crzy:

You have the opportunity to buy a used bike of which you know the whole history on it. You know how it was ridden for each and every mile. Pricing wise, look it up on KBB to make sure you're getting a good deal. ;)

Victory knows you've ridden their product for 12k miles, and they know you're hooked. If you don't buy the one you rode, you'll buy a new one. Hehehe. cheers
+1 thumb up Couldn't have said it better myself.
 

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Right, I do know everything this bike has been through and I've loved riding it. But the question is do I buy a bike with 12k on it or do I spend close to the same amount for one with 2k on it, or one with no miles on it, for not much more? When you buy a bike do you care how many miles are on it? Of course. If you were looking at two bikes, both at same price, but one has half the miles of the other it's obvious which one you'd go with.

My point is, it should be a no-brainer and it's not. A deal you just do without thinking. Every rider has been given the opportunity to buy their bike. As it is now I don't know of a single rider from this contest who is actually planning on purchasing their bike. What does that say?
No sales are not going to come to a halt and the NY Times is not going to write about it. But you can bet your ass Victory's competitors will relish it and use it to their advantage. If I'm selling Harley's or Stars or whatever against Victory I'd use it. It doesn't sound like good public relations to me. Maybe your definition is different than mine.
 

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As it is now I don't know of a single rider from this contest who is actually planning on purchasing their bike.
I'm fairly sure selling those bikes to you wasn't the motive for Victory letting you guys ride 'em for a year.

You never told us how much they offered you the bike for. Without that, it's tough for us to throw our 2 cents in.

A 2010 Touring bike, according to KBB, should have 2920 miles. KBB also makes the following statement:
Because of variances in riding styles and road conditions, it is impossible for us to determine accurate dollar values for mileage. Overall condition factors will have a far greater impact on a value than the actual mileage.
 

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I'm fairly sure selling those bikes to you wasn't the motive for Victory letting you guys ride 'em for a year.

You never told us how much they offered you the bike for. Without that, it's tough for us to throw our 2 cents in.
I think you're right. That wasn't the motive. Victory got tons and tons of really good content from just about everyone who was involved. I think that's what they were going for. And make no mistake, it wasn't some free ride. I'm not the only one who felt like it was a job. Dream job for sure, but still work non the less. It was not uncommon to get back from a trip with over 10,000 photos to sort through and process. Don't get me wrong, I loved it but it took loads of time. As far as I'm concerned we earned every mile we put on those bikes.
I think they are giving us a deal on the bikes, but not like you'd expect. That's what I'm saying, if it were a killer deal more of us would be owning these bikes when its over. Do you think $14k is a good deal for a bike with 12k on it? eh.
Now if it were $10k there's no thought to that. "Sure, I loved riding it and it seems like a smoking deal, why not."
I don't know what the others have been offered. But based on comments from our last conference call its not looking like many, if any will end up buying the bikes. Which I think is a shame.
 

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I'm fairly sure selling those bikes to you wasn't the motive for Victory letting you guys ride 'em for a year.

You never told us how much they offered you the bike for. Without that, it's tough for us to throw our 2 cents in.

A 2010 Touring bike, according to KBB, should have 2920 miles. KBB also makes the following statement:
Of course. You can't have one that's a theft recovery and thrashed but only 1000 miles. I'm talking same condition. Let's not split hairs here.
 

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Of course. You can't have one that's a theft recovery and thrashed but only 1000 miles. I'm talking same condition. Let's not split hairs here.
Yes, same condition, same price, you buy the one with less miles.
 

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it simple really....you like the bike...? Then either get a good price or if the prices are that close between a new on or the one that you rode take a new one....if nothing else for the warranty......its a win...win situation....
 

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I don't know what the others have been offered. But based on comments from our last conference call its not looking like many, if any will end up buying the bikes. Which I think is a shame.
Don't make this an emotional decision. You're looking to buy a used bike. The only special thing about it is that you know its history better than anybody else. So if you do buy it, you're just not taking a chance that there's something wrong with the bike that you don't know about.

You're right, Victory's not giving away the bike (and in my opinion, they shouldn't). Personally, if I spend $14k, I'd rather get a new one, but that's just my preference. That doesn't mean the deal they offered you is bad. KBB Suggested Retail Value is $15895, so they've already given you almost $2k off. Sounds like a deal you might get after negotiating back and forth with your local dealer for a few hours. Most of my concerns with buying a used bike are if the bike was well maintained, dropped, abused. All those questions you don't have to worry about, because you have the answer.
 

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Okay so I'm one of the lucky few who won a XC (skulls) for the summer with Victory's True American Road Trip contest. Lots of fun miles. Anyway, the deal was I had to turn the bike back in at the end of the year. They've given us an opportunity to buy the bike kind of like the end of a lease. My question is this: what would you consider a fair price for a bike with almost 12k miles on it? Also, isn't it in Victory's best interest to make it easy for every one of the TART riders to buy their bikes? Wouldn't that be bad press if these bikes were simply turned back in?
you know.....this is just greed....take a walk dude....
 

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So, by no means am I a used motorcycle expert so I won't weigh in on value.

From the conversation, it sounds as if Victory and you all created a very good win-win situation. They provided you a bike and, in turn, you provided a service back to them. What a great set up!

Now, the party's over and it's time to go home. The path you are taking of seeking a fair price is good. Seeking a low ball offer is wishful thinking. Victory deserves a fair price for their bike. Since it is a new model, fair price is difficult to ascertain without significant comparables.

As an owner, I hope 12K miles is just the start of the relationship. Knowing the history of the bike and having a desire to keep it long term is very important. That said, I would NEVER spend that amount of money for a bike I didn't LOVE. All wonderful things to ponder, but I they gave me a Kingpin for a year and then allowed me to purchase it at fair market price, I'd walk away as that's not the bike for me. Sure, for $5K I'd buy it and sell it because it is no longer my dream bike but an investment I can't refuse. But at fair market, they can keep it. I'll shell my fair market money out for something I really want. And that would be a win-win for both of us.

Just rambling aloud...
 

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Personally I think since you know the shining history of the bike and the 12k is really nothing on a Victory, 14k is a very good deal.
 

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Don't make this an emotional decision. You're looking to buy a used bike. The only special thing about it is that you know its history better than anybody else. So if you do buy it, you're just not taking a chance that there's something wrong with the bike that you don't know about.

You're right, Victory's not giving away the bike (and in my opinion, they shouldn't). Personally, if I spend $14k, I'd rather get a new one, but that's just my preference. That doesn't mean the deal they offered you is bad. KBB Suggested Retail Value is $15895, so they've already given you almost $2k off. Sounds like a deal you might get after negotiating back and forth with your local dealer for a few hours. Most of my concerns with buying a used bike are if the bike was well maintained, dropped, abused. All those questions you don't have to worry about, because you have the answer.
+1 This is a no brainer. You can always make them an offer, but $14k for a bike YOU rode from new is not too shabby! UNLESS, you KNOW of problems with it.....
 

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Well, thanks all for the feedback. Even the douchie comments. ;-)

I certainly didn't want to come across as ungrateful for the experience. If I walk away I still had fun and made memories that will last a lifetime. As it is, I'm still on the fence. I do like the XC very much and feel I'll probably end up with one. Whether it's this one or a new one with the better trans remains to be seen. I know I'll get reamed for this but I loved the XC much more before I rode a 2011 Harley Street Glide for the Angel Ride last month. Don't get me wrong, I'm still pro Vic but it's not as cut and dried between those two bikes as I thought. This is one of the things that has made me lose just a bit of starry eyed wonderment with the XC I've been riding. I've also ridden the 2011 XC with the new trans and that is very worth consideration.

Miles on a Victory don't seem to matter as far as reliability. My only concern regarding miles would be with resale value. I know me well enough to know I won't hang onto whatever I get forever.

Call it what you will, I still think it's a shame if all the TART (True American Road Trip) riders don't end up buying the bikes. I've wanted to keep mine ever since I picked it up. Funny how a number can effect that.
 

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I can really understand what you are saying.
No matter how much I like a bike or how comfortable it is I get a itch for something else every year. I can't help it. I have either traded or added a different bike every year for so many years that I do not remember not doing it.
In April I bought a 2010 Gl1800 and in September I bought a 2011 XC and kept my other 3 bikes.

So I understand completely.

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I wish I could afford just to buy one more bike, an XC!!! ANgel LOVED riding on that bike.

Was laid off in May lost my 2 year old car in July. I wouldn't have Porti if I didn't pay cash for her.

Still wondering whats going to happen with my UI benefits!!

At least I have a great woman, a nice bike and a roof!!!cheers
 

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I have just read this whole thread and understand your dilemma.I think
you have some valid concerns.Like the 2011 has a smooth shifting transmission and resale value.Although, resale isn't a strong asset with a Vic anyway.I wanted to get either a Vision or XC and looked a bit at both.Then realized that my bike isn't worth much even though it's in good shape and I paid almost twice two years ago for it than I could get today.The warranty could be a concern also.Would you get the 3 year warranty like they are offering right now?
I agree with the school of thought that if you love the bike, you should buy it.If you have any doubt,leave it.They will sell it to someone.And you can buy the bike you really want.
I also agree that 12,000 is barely broken in.
Good luck with your decision.
 

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There's nothing wrong with someone looking for a really good deal.
well..ok...this was knee-jerk (go ahead and say it...) response... but i reckon that i am just tired of all this gimme-more stuff...and in fact, it appears to me that it was a good deal already...as in a free ride for 12K....personally, i would go for a new machine.

we are getting close to there being nothing left....
 
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