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Oh man. About set on wanting a Vision I had been looking at. But another has come up, newer bike and @ a dealer so I could trade mine. Then I got to thinking one of the things the wife and I commented on was storage. We have a 09 Yamaha Venture currently and can pack quite a bit. So one of the reasons I'm looking to trade is storage on trips, but also the RSV is sort of top heavy and even with a adjustment to suspension I am not totally flat footed.
I have test rode the XC and CR both feel about the same to me, as I guess they should. The CR I am looking at has 33k on it and the leather looking bags. I am guessing they are not lockable rite? It has the windshield on it so how is the wind protection behind it for driver and passenger? Wind on passenger? Does it buffet them around. Sorry but its been probably 3-4yr since we took a test drive on one. The CR has a Corbin seat on it and appears to be a touring type as it is wide on the passenger side also. The RSV has a super comfy seat and was one of the reasons we leaned towards it.
Also the CR has ABS which I think if I switch bikes is going to be a must have. I tried looking in Victory parts catalog, but no listing for the "add on" fairing that use to be available. Is an add on cruise still available if this bike dont have it? Don't really want the throttle lock thing again.
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In 2010 - 2011, I started seriously looking at the Vics. At first, I thought the Vision was a little too swoopy for my tastes, but the more I visited Vic dealers the more I liked it. But when the XCT came out, it was game over. The Tour has so much more room than the Vision; the top case is larger on the XCT, and the saddlebags are much larger. I know that some folks say that you don't need to pack the kitchen sink, but tell that to my wife. Me, I'm not gonna argue.

I had a Corbin seat on a '97 Beemer, and it was too hard, IMHO. And I keep reading, throughout the years, similar comments. So I'm definitely not a fan of Corbin seats.

Regarding wind management, and cruise, and so forth, I think you'd be better off with a Tour. All that -- and heated seats and grips, and the trunk, and adjustable passenger mini-boards, and more -- is built in. By the time you finish screwing around with an XC -- to make it XCT-like -- you'd be better off just getting an XCT in the first place. IMHO.
 

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Thanks Bill. But the CR is what they have in the price range I have to deal with. Heated seats and grips not a big deal here in Central Fla. LOL Now if they were AC that would be a player. I love the looks of the Vision, but cargo management is a down fall for sure. I like the lines and it sure a heck don't look like anything else out there and I like that. Current bike has leg fairings like XCT and except when raining, most of the time I would be OK without them, more air flow. This bike I'm looking into don't have highway bars either so I could gostandard round tube or the flat iron jobs, which set the bike apart from the "other" american bikes. Would also have to add backrest/luggage rack and jumping back and forth weather would go trunk route or not. @ 1800 bucks for the OEM job wowzers. Looked at some after market jobs that would be OK from Matzu for less and could make it so it bolts on for around town stuff and remove for longer trips to use soft luggage I have. Before the RSV had a Kawaski Vulcan 900.
cnt get pic to show, but here is one.
 

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Definitely dig more into price options. You can find a XCT for around $14,000 if you look in the right places. And as far as mileage goes, it's just a number on these motors!
 

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I started riding Yammy Ventures in '83 and had a '92 when I got my 2010 Cross Roads. I thought I'd be giving up wind and weather protection, but my XR's is every bit as good with the stock medium height windshield. Cancer and age had me getting away from from the Venture--too tall, too heavy, too top heavy for me. I opted for the XR cuz I wanted to simplify, besides, I never turned on the tunes in my Ventures. I am enjoying the uninterrupted view the plexi fairing affords me and its removable for riding when the weather gets hot. So glad I got it.
 

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>500,000 km's on Ventures - almost bought a 1999 new in 1999 - it didn't move me! In 2007 bought a Nomad - ugh! This XCT is the first bike that close to the old Ventures and I think exceeds it in certain points. I liked the Vison - no storage - wife refused to ride on it - so we got the XCT. Only concession was I put armrests on! Had them on every Venture ( 4 of them) and I didn't like the factory one's so I made a set from the old Markland one's I had kicking around from my Venture days! Actually I had 2 sets so one is still in a box just in case!
Buy an XCT - then if you want you can take off the lowers if it's too hot, plus the trunk comes off so you can have a lighter feeling bike when you want and when it comes time to go tourin you can just put stuff back on and rack up the smiles!
 

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Ohhhh and the hits just keep coming. So we were doing some Christmas shopping in the town where the Cr is located. So I got wife to go and look at bike. Seat was uncomfortable as all get out, and as mentioned no trunk for her. To add one is something like 3k by the time you buy brackets, top-bottom-padding etc. So I'm up around 13k for a bike I will still have to add on some stuff. She says whats the other options. So we went in and looked at some new units. XCT and a Vision. both in the 18k range. OUCH not what I had even imagined to look at. But kind of leaning towards the XCT vs the Vision. Storage is main concern. Minus side for the XCT is non adjustable windshield. I dunno, I figure once I figure where I want it probably wont be adjusting it anyways.. Will have to figure out something for radios on both as sales guy says they are not bluetooth and we have Sena SMH 10 headsets.
 

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If you get the Madstad brackets for your XCT you will have an adjustable windshield. Not everyone likes the look but I swear by them and don't think they look bad at all.

 

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If you're a member at Venturers.org, look up posts by me. When i traded in my 2006 RSV for a 2012 Cross Country Tour, I wrote up a comparison on that site. It should be in the 'Other Models' or 'Other Brands' section of that forum.

If you enjoy the storage capacity of the RSV, and if that is important to you, then the only way for you to go is to the XCT. It will increase your storage capacity. All other options will decrease it.

XCT is not top-heavy like the RSV, and the seat is lower to the ground.

I'm using the stock seat on my XCT, and am quite comfortable with it, after nearly 50,000 miles. No stock seat is as plush as the pillow seat on an RSV, but 'plush' is not the only way to be comfortable. Seats are a very personal choice. Try. It out, along with your passenger, and decide what is right for you.

You can add Bluetooth accessories to XCT, to connect the audio system with your Sena SMH-10 headsets. Be aware that you will have to buy several parts that are not clearly specified, so the process may be frustrating and more expensive than it first appears to be. Victory's way of selling these audio accessories is annoying and your dealers probably will not know what they say that they know.

You've not had an adjustable windshield on your RSV. The one on the Vision is really cool, but XCT doesnt have it. However, you can buy a manually-adjustable shield and brackets for XCT. Its called 'Madstad', made in Florida, possibly near you. Search for it on this forum, and you will find information and pictures.

Unless you're ready to move down to a less-equipped bike than your current RSV ride, you should be getting yourself a Cross Country Tour. Vision is a really cool bike, and has that electrically-adjustable windshield, but storage room is not what it ought to be. Cross Roads is a cool bagger, but storage is definitely a step down from what you already have in the RSV, there is no audio, less rain protection, and the one you were looking at has no engine guards (crash bars). I think you will be building it into an XCT. Just get an XCT.
 

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I ride the XCT. Actually, I own three of them since my wife also rides one here in FL and we have one we share in Michigan when we are there for the 5 monts of summer. I highly recommend it for storage and touring. My wife and I also use the SENA SMH10 and we have it mounted on our half-helmets. We bought the SENA brackets that allow the use of ear bud type headphones - specifically the in the ear canal type ear buds. These have the effect of simultaneously delivering the music/phone/intercom/GPS sound while also blocking the traffic, road, and wind noise. I think you will find that driving long distances at highway speeds or even at 55 mph backroad speeds will be very noisy due to wind and other road noise. Yes, you will be able to hear the stereo but not overly clearly with that background noise. Using the XCT sound system around town/commuting and the SENA system when touring at higher speeds is the perfect combination. Blocking out the wind/road noise is also important for saving your long term hearing.

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If you're a member at Venturers.org, look up posts by me. When i traded in my 2006 RSV for a 2012 Cross Country Tour, I wrote up a comparison on that site. It should be in the 'Other Models' or 'Other Brands' section of that forum.

If you enjoy the storage capacity of the RSV, and if that is important to you, then the only way for you to go is to the XCT. It will increase your storage capacity. All other options will decrease it.

XCT is not top-heavy like the RSV, and the seat is lower to the ground.

I'm using the stock seat on my XCT, and am quite comfortable with it, after nearly 50,000 miles. No stock seat is as plush as the pillow seat on an RSV, but 'plush' is not the only way to be comfortable. Seats are a very personal choice. Try. It out, along with your passenger, and decide what is right for you.

You can add Bluetooth accessories to XCT, to connect the audio system with your Sena SMH-10 headsets. Be aware that you will have to buy several parts that are not clearly specified, so the process may be frustrating and more expensive than it first appears to be. Victory's way of selling these audio accessories is annoying and your dealers probably will not know what they say that they know.

You've not had an adjustable windshield on your RSV. The one on the Vision is really cool, but XCT doesnt have it. However, you can buy a manually-adjustable shield and brackets for XCT. Its called 'Madstad', made in Florida, possibly near you. Search for it on this forum, and you will find information and pictures.

Unless you're ready to move down to a less-equipped bike than your current RSV ride, you should be getting yourself a Cross Country Tour. Vision is a really cool bike, and has that electrically-adjustable windshield, but storage room is not what it ought to be. Cross Roads is a cool bagger, but storage is definitely a step down from what you already have in the RSV, there is no audio, less rain protection, and the one you were looking at has no engine guards (crash bars). I think you will be building it into an XCT. Just get an XCT.
You are exactly correct on the "building" scenario. Exactly what the wife said. Kinda scary really. they have a 13 White Vision that the trunk got damaged and the removed that is about 2k less than the other 2 bikes I'm looking at, but putting the trunk back on with a used unit by the time I paint etc there is no savings there. I am leaning more towards the XCT I think. Only loss is electric windshield I think. The CG does feel a bit lower on the Vision though. I guess I will check out the adjustable windshield place you all have mentioned.
Researching e-bay for the bluetooth stuff looks as though you need a cable with like 15 pins or something and a "special" dongle made by SENA. Is that all and is that the only way to go? Is there a "wired" headset rig for the XCT? If I can find the right type connectors I can build the harness. Its sort of something I mess with some on the RSV. I have a supplier of connectors thats good at helping sort that kind of stuff out. Do they show up much @ Pinwall? All I really have to do is find an audio "out" and connect it up to a 3.5mm jack. I have a plug in bluetooth transmitter coming, and this is how I was going to make my RSV radio useful with the Sena.
 

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I really dont see anything detracting looking about the brackets from pics. I think its an excellent option. Although from the web site it says you cant use the oem xct windshield. How come? Clear or lite gray is all I would go on color. Next thing to figure would be how tall.
 

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The stock windshields on all Cross Countries EXCEPT the XCT have four mounting holes. The XCT comes with a taller shield, so Victory added on some more-supportive brackets with six (instead of four) mounting points. So the stock XCT shield had six mounting holes, and they dont line up with non-XCT mounting hardware.

To install the Madstad adjustable windshield system on an XCT:
- Remove the XCT windshield
- Remove the XCT-specific support brackets, which now leaves the bike with the same mounting points as non-XCT Cross Country's
- Attach the Madstad brackets in place of the XCT support brackets, which will provide non-XCT mounting points on top of a system that pivots and extends the height of the shield, both adjustable, with non-XCT mounting points
- Attach a non-XCT windshield.


I use a 13-inch smoke-tinted shield. Most guys seem to prefer a shorter shield.
 

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Hmmm So what if a fellow just drilled it to fit the new brackets? Probably too tall for a 5'7" ish guy like me. After the windshield on my RSV something shorter would be nice, especially in rain. Between my glasses, a face shield and the windscreen it gets a bit much.
Now I'm digging into the radio system. I found a cord to allow you to plug our MP3 into the stereo, that looks easy enough to make up. The only write ups I have found on "splitting" the out put were on Visions I think. It concerns a 26 pin connector and I think it is on their bike under a side panel. I looked up the wire diagram I could find for XC and it shows the same type connector and gives a description of pins. If I know where its at I think I can build a homemade cable to allow use of a less expensive dongle.
Also is there any major differences between years of XCT? I can find a repair manual for say a 2013 for around $10-15 bucks on a CD. The ones for the 2015 are like $200. Seems silly they dont just build the bike with bluetooth already in system. I mean heck thats kind of like building a bike with a cassette deck.
 

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Hmmm So what if a fellow just drilled it to fit the new brackets? Probably too tall for a 5'7" ish guy like me. After the windshield on my RSV something shorter would be nice, especially in rain. Between my glasses, a face shield and the windscreen it gets a bit much.
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Exactly what you said, IMHO: the stock windshield is too tall for the Madstad, would probably bend things, you don't need it, etc.

I'm 5'9", 29- or 30-inch inseam, and I bought Madstad's 11" shield and their brackets. I can see over the windshield -- adjusted for different heights, in the heat of summer or for traffic, or higher in cooler weather or for superslab touring. In most positions the turbulence is shot over my head. And the same holds true for the rain: it follows that air flow.

I wear glasses and a modular helmet with a built-in sun shield (which I often have in use, behind the clear plastic faceshield. So I don't ever want to ride having to look through a bike's windshield.

I had an electric windshield for five years on my Burgman 650 Exec, BTW. It was a nice feature, like the Visions have, but it's not as if you play with it every couple of minutes. So I hardly miss that feature. For changing situations, you stop every so often anyway, and can do the manual adjustment on the Madstad system when you stop.

I know you're trying to keep the costs down, but windshields are pretty cheap. Also, what I did was sell the stock, tall, XCT windshield and its brackets (and bolts and washers, etc.); mine were never used, as I bought and used a KlockWerks Flare (also a nice windshield, for my height) for a year, and had the dealer install that, instead of the XCT stuff, when he was uncrating the bike. Some folks who ride in cold seasons like those tall XCT shields on their XCs. So that's a way to make a replacement windshield a little cheaper.

Here's a pic of the 11" Madstad shield and brackets on my XCT.
 

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You can get the XCT service manual here in the Victory Forums for free. Just do a bit of searching. I think the link is in one of the members signature - maybe bbob.

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You can get the XCT service manual here in the Victory Forums for free. Just do a bit of searching. I think the link is in one of the members signature - maybe bbob.

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Cool thanks. So I am guessing pretty much same from year to year? The RSV was the same from 99 till they quit making them in 2014.


Thanks for windshield info. I'm about the same in seam and height so I guess an 11" would be OK. The site recommends a 9" I think.
 

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I have a searchable version for 12-13 XC/XR I can email to you
 

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I agree with outzer. I also had a 99 and 2006 Venture. Went to an air bagger GW but when I got hit on that I went to a 2011 XC. XCT didn't come out until 2013 I think. Anyway XC and Tour bags are bigger than Venture. Center of gravity is so much lower and bike is very easy to throw around. Seat is good but on my ride to Colorado in late August it got to hurting, mainly due to the heat. I just bought a 350Z that was supposed to replace the XC but I'm not getting rid of it until my wife files for divorce. Go for the XCT and remember all that ahoutzer said. By the way, I have the Mads tad brackets and they are the best thing for a Vic since sliced bread. Good luck and Merry Christmas !!
 
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