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Let's say someone has a reason to be mad, decided to start riling people up, throwing rocks, burning police cars, breaking glass and stealing from a nearby store. A policeman tells him to halt as he exits the store but he continues to run and the officer shoots and kills him.

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1)Will this stop the crowd from looting and destroying and they all will run home?

2)Will someone shoot back at the officer?

3)Will this make everything worse?

4)Will the perpetrators immediately stop, lift their hands as soon as the officer says halt, and they are arrested and then peace is at hand?

5)If 10 cops shoot at the looters, what will happen? A 100 cops shoot?

6)If all the police and national guard join hands and sing Let It Be... will this bring tears to the thugs and gangs eyes and all embrace one another like brothers?

7)If the mayor calls the governor for help before the funeral is done and asks for support, would this have been prevented?

8)If the mayor had asked for help as above and then kept her mouth shut to the media, would this had made a difference?

9)If many of the store owners would have pulled all their wares out of their stores and placed the products on the streets before the funeral was done for everyone that was mad to take home, would this have prevented the problems in Baltimore?

Finally!

10)What would you do if your child wanted to mix with the crowd doing all the damage? What if it were an adult relative?
 

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Store owners who gather their buddies and stand in front of their businesses armed to the teeth don't seem to have problems with thugs, looters, stone throwers or Jehovah's Witnesses.
 

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Because these are "what if" questions here are my hypothetical answers to your questions:

1. No, it would fuel their rage and the violence would intensify.

2. If not immediately, shortly thereafter.

3. Yes, those involved would feel more entitled to continue the foolishness.

4. Not at all, they think that stealing a package of toilet paper is justified because someone was killed :rolleyes:

5. If 10 cops shoot, 20 rioters will shoot back. 100 police shoot, 200 rioters shoot back.

6. That's just funny.

7. Only if the governor issues martial law.

8. No, the individuals involved will look for any justification behind their ridiculous actions. The mayors statements only made her look like a fool to the rest of the country. I am guessing that 99.9% of those reacting to the death of this young man, don't even know who the mayor of their city is, much less know what she says.

9. Leaving your merchandise on the streets for the thieves to take at will would not have changed the destruction of their establishments.

10. I still have enough control that I would beat my kids. I have no issue disassociating with adult family members, I've done it for much less.
 

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Good questions. Something I've given much thought to in the past few months.

1. No. It would be used as justification for more violence.

2. Highly likely.

3. Definitely.

4. No. People in mobs are 10 times more likely to do things they do not have the guts to do on their own.

5. Well armed and trained LE with the backing of their superiors will win in a gun fight with thugs. Sometimes I think this is what needs to happen to calm things down.
You loot, we shoot. No warning, no questions asked.

6. That's funny right there.

7. No. The governor most likely would hesitate, not wanting to offend anyone.

8. Talking to the media is always bad. Not talking to them is worse, because then they make it up.

9. No. What Ricz said is true, just be prepared to be prosecuted for defending your property.

10. The video of the mom beating her teenage son for his participation gives me a little hope that there are still responsible parents trying to maintain control. I love my family and friends, but have no trouble cutting them loose if they exhibit repeated excessive stupidity.
 

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I'm sure that we all remember this...

"Rodney Glen King III was an American taxi driver who became nationally known after being beaten by Los Angeles Police Department officers following a high-speed car chase on March 3, 1991."

He died in 2012 but what followed his beating in 1991 was utter chaos in L.A.

This is the mindset of this nation. In fact, not much different than ISIS.

Who cares about compassion, justice, forgiveness! Let's all use this as an excuse to wreak havoc... and the only way to stop this mindset is with a great show of force. You don't wait for the angry to blow off steam.

Why was there only one momma trying to take control of their kid? Was it because she was the only one filmed? She was the SINGLE mother of 6 kids.

At some point in our future, there will be an incident unlike any before. The lack of wise and thoughtful parenting will ultimately be the blame. The media also shares some of the blame.

What you and I know to be 'wise and thoughtful' parenting is fading fast. So, I feel my prediction has merit!
 

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Cops could just stop killing people for looking at them?

Cops do a important job, but this code of silence and turning a blind eye to fellow officers criminal behaviors makes them all complicit and no better than the thugs they proclaim to protect us against.

District Attorneys, Judges, and Grand Jury's failing to protect families, putting officers lives above those they are sworn to protect.

Being a COP is a dangerous job, but this shoot first attitude is about power; not law enforcement. Too many scared and untrained officers are running around on the streets of America.

You don't shoot people because the run from you or they stole a TV or a bicycle. You shoot when your life or the lives of others are in eminent danger.

Instead of training, training, training we give them tanks, grenade launchers, assault rifles and a license to destroy lives without consequence.

With all the methods of non-lethal incapacitation, shooting is that last thing that you do.

The "I thought the had a gun" story is used way to often, with to many victims of it dead on the streets.


The questions is

"What can I do to ensure the police are held accountable for their crimes against all citizens?
 

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Yes, there is rioting, but rioting is the manifestation of not being heard. I challenge any one of you to control your anger, if the government tried to silence any of your rights generation after generation.

Anger has no logic and you cant apply logic to it. You have to address the root cause.

If the officers who killed the young man in Baltimore were held accountable, like they did in South Carolina after that Officer shooting death. There probably would be no rioting right now.
 

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If these 3 Rs were taught and learned, we would not have these problems.......
RESPONSIBILITY, RESPECT, RECTITUDE.
But they aren't. Instead, we have excuses, permissiveness, tolerance, forced acceptance and political correctness. A recipe for social failure.
 

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Yes, there is rioting, but rioting is the manifestation of not being heard.
Nope! A child acts out because he wants attention. If he is given the correct attention early rather than later, he does not RIOT.

They have been heard but their parents refuse to hear or are non-existent. They raise themselves without instruction and then do not respect authority even if it happens to comes from a police officer who is possibly quick on the trigger, has anger issues, or is scared out of his mind because all he has seen and freaks out rather than remaining calm. Multiply this kid times thousands and you ultimately have mayhem when there is an opportunity that the media is sure to present.
 

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I agree these are all important attributes, but is this just for the rioters or does it apply to the police also?

In many countries when ever there has been social unrest young children and teens have always challenged the status quo. Resisting the social and economical parameters placed upon them in a attempt to facilitate change for themselves and others.

I don't believe in violence, but I cant say I know the right choice, but there comes a time when you can't explain someone else's frustration unless you are living it for yourself.

When you fight fires you have to use the appropriate method. You don't through gasoline on it or fan the flames. You find the root cause and you fix it.
 

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ddallas, I understand your premise, but in all honesty how does stealing a package of toilet paper help your cause? Oh, it's not about helping your cause at this point it is about getting what you can from the man that has been holding you down for so long, right?

I'm pretty sure that CVS has not done anything to stimey the growth in that neighborhood. If anything they have brought job opportunities there and provided a service that otherwise these people would have to go further to get. Additionally, these businesses want the local residents to do better so that they can make more money off of them. The shop owners have had nothing to do with the injustices to these citizens and should not have to deal with their anger.

There is a right way and a wrong way to go about things. The actions of the Baltimore residents is wrong.
 

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Your still talking about a symptom of the larger issues.
Your not looking past the fire and what's causing it.
Your blaming the tree for being on fire.
When you should be asking why is the tree burning?
I'm pretty sure we are all tippy toeing around what you really want to say...

~The black man has been been kicked to the ground by whitey! Repressed and ignored except when profiled, beaten, shot, and cast into prison. With each incident, the fire grows until one day there will be a great time of war in America. One race against another. A great blood bath... and there is no way to stop it until or unless the white man gives the black man every thing he asks and every thing he deserves. Then there shall be peace.~

Is this the symptom and the ultimate solution or the ending to it all?

All of the anger, resentment, and bitterness is the white man's fault?

Again! There is mindset in this nation and as I stated earlier, it all goes back to how we were raised and taught. The humans we see now all over the news are the result of something that has gone terribly wrong.

We see that a black president did absolutely nothing to help make it better. Right?

Do you ddallas have any idea how many white Americans truly care about all races and hate to hear each report about someone being killed by police for whatever reason regardless of their race or ethnicity? I'm one of them. But still we are all placed in a box. A box kids have been taught to put us in. And hatred and bitterness becomes the fire... that burns the tree.
 

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If this is about anger against police and local government, why loot and steal from local retail stores?

Why not protest around police stations and government offices? Why not riot, loot, and destroy these places since they truly represent the things they claim to be angry about?
 

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I'm sure the larger picture is more that what you describe.
The larger picture, the burning tree? Please enlighten me.

Absolutely the black man as been brutalized by the system,
Which system? Is this why there is continuing black on black crime or is it impossible for them to develop their own system to prevent such display of anger that causes them to hurt others, destroy and pillage?

I imagine that there are many in the black community who are ashamed of this but remain silent and gather brooms and trash bags being reactive rather than pro-active.

Where are the black leaders? Are they telling the media that while this incident is a tragedy, the black community needs to keep the attention on those affected rather than creating turmoil and unrest? The mayor did a terrible job! Her words could have made a difference. Her readiness for what is now history could have prevented the whole mess.

but a president black or white is nothing more that a figure head for corporate and wealthy interests.
So, you’re saying it is impossible for one man regardless of race or position to make a difference? I’m sure Martin Luther King would be mighty disappointed in your comment as well do-nothing Obama. We had our very first black president. His legacy, in my opinion, is a joke to this nation and a travesty for all blacks. The window of opportunity has passed!


We are talking about police accountability? And how men are being gunned down or beaten to death by the police. We are talking about a criminal justice system we there is a the lack of accountability for police actions. We are talking about the actions of a police state that perpetuate the anger of all citizens.
The problems with law enforcement agencies have been an issue for decades... in many ways, some of their actions in the past were much worse than what the media is now focusing on. It is not just about a white cop taking out a black man or boy. The media will always highlight and sensationalize it because this is what they do and brings attention to them.

Accountability goes across the board for them as well as citizens. We are seeing more incidents of resisting, acting out, fleeing, perpetuating and making situations more volatile. Then you have citizens or family nearby exacerbating it to a very dangerous level.
We need the police! They are often afraid, overworked, stressed... they want to go home to their families but they also want to make a difference.
 

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This pic:
Just a comment and a thought...

If a bunch of white people had been standing here, what would have happened?

If a bunch of blacks AND white people had been standing there together in front of the police, imagine how powerful a statement that would be? What about multinationals?

Every one of those black guys should have asked a brother of another color to stand with them. Would the media make a big deal about that?

This is how blacks should be thinking... Baltimore is not a black city!

 
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