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Just wanted to stick my head in the door and introduce myself. I'm 65 and have been riding since 1963. Do all my own building, fabrication, and machining as needed. My taste in motorcycles is eclectic, leaning heavily towards twin cylinder machines in parallel or "V" configuration. My current rides are a 2008 Triumph Bonneville, a 1992 Sportster, and a Royal Enfield Bullet. I recently unloaded my 2000 Harley Road King before the cam chain tensioners exploded and the flywheels shifted out of alignment! And therein lies my interest in Victory. The engine seems fairly bullet proof compared to the late models Harleys, so they've grabbed my interest. Anyway, I'll be hanging around learning, and hopefully contributing where I can. Thanks for your time!

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Welcome! I am envious of your fabrication abilities.
Thanks for the welcome! One of the reasons I'm here is to find out if I can put my fabrication skills (limited though they are) to work using a Victory engine. I'm not much on cruisers, but I think the Victory engine has the potential to be swapped into a frame designed along the lines of a "standard" motorcycle, or something leaning towards a cafe racer build. Maybe like a scaled up Norton Featherbed frame? OK, I'm crazy, but I know the right engine when I see it!

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Thanks for the welcome! One of the reasons I'm here is to find out if I can put my fabrication skills (limited though they are) to work using a Victory engine. I'm not much on cruisers, but I think the Victory engine has the potential to be swapped into a frame designed along the lines of a "standard" motorcycle, or something leaning towards a cafe racer build. Maybe like a scaled up Norton Featherbed frame? OK, I'm crazy, but I know the right engine when I see it!

Bob
Perhaps more along the line of a Vincent. I think the motor could be used as a stressed member in a light bike but I am not absolutely sure. http://www.victorymotorcycles.com/en-us/shop/parts#/Victory/V14DA//DB//DW//TW//ZW36_CROSS_COUNTRY//TOURING//15th_ANNIVERSARY_ALL_OPTIONS_(2014)/CHASSIS,_FRAME_ASM._-_V14DA//DB//DW//TW//ZW36_ALL_OPTIONS/98793/98898

Would be great with an FFE
And welcomecheers
 

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I know they look like they would not handle good, but you got to ride to believe. Take out the X-bikes, Cross Roads or Cross Country, or even the Vision. They got alunimun frames and handle very good. Would be cool to take one and strip it down to the bare esentials or cafe one out. Cory Ness sort of did it, but to me he had the foot pegs out in front to much on his bike, and I believe he used a steel frame bike. Victory offers demo rides. They bring their truck to the dealers and let people demo any of their bikes, could be a good chance for you to ride and see what you think of the engines and the frames.wac
 

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Ride the Highball or Judge... Both handle unreal. My XC handles well too but no where near as well as those other 2.
 

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I actually had a similar thoughts to yours but these guys are right.
These bikes do handle exceedingly well just as is.
You can stop spending time in the shop and just spend it riding and feel good about it.
Would own a lot less machinery if I had test rode one years ago.
They are nothing like a Harley, in a good way. :D
Test riding one can be hazardous to your pocket book though but if you do I recommend as mentioned you look up the schedule for the factory demo rides and show up early and ride every bike they have a couple of times. The factory guys are good that way they really don't care and you can run their bikes hard without getting any flak.

I'm from a HD backround too and traded my 2004 Ultra in on a Cross Country 8 ball 14 for the exact same reasons you stated you got rid of yours. They are time bombs and junk. I was tired of pulling the cam cover to look to see if I was down to the metal yet, putting in cams and not really gaining any power and spending my spare time working on fuel maps. My crank was already at .0025 the day it rolled out of the factory so a gear drive might or might not have even worked. But these seem to be much neater.
No Siamese intake port. Shine a flashlight down the Throttle body and look at the top of the piston. Just like an old jag but with two intake valves. Got to love that. Bolt in a cam and a fuel tuner and get 100 hp or so and 100 torque no pinning or welding the flywheels etc. The came chain tensioners are about 9 inches long and as wide as the chain I think. Not likely to wear one out in your lifetime. Motor runs cool, floods oil through the top end it with one section of the pump like a Porsche. High pressure section of the pump runs something like 80 psi for the plain bearing rods. Unit construction uses the trans as part of the crankcase gets away from the chainsaw size crankcase of the HD very little pressure on the backside of the rings and no oil carry over issues. They do have Nikasil (sp?) cylinders so you may want to rethink your break in methods.
So far I love the bike. Not much on Polaris but they tell no more lies than HD. However the motor and the bike itself is light years better. as far as I can tell so far anyways. You'll find a lot of former HD people here.
 

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Roland Sands did an awesome job with the "Hammer" frame and motor setup to produce a great "Cafe Racer" - This bike is so much more than what little Ness did with his version.





IMHO - I think little Ness has a lot of learnin to do from his granpa with "design" before he goes off and chews anything more....

I would second that of the modular frame as a GREAT starting point to put these motors into. Ive done it and its a very easy frame to work with if you have the types of skills you mentioned in your post Bob. Mine is a simpler version, but I wanted to use the existing cowling and make it better without the crash bars. See my build in the link below

Good luck with your endeavors
 

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Perhaps more along the line of a Vincent. I think the motor could be used as a stressed member in a light bike but I am not absolutely sure.
Joe, you've read my mind! Whenever I look at the Victory engine, Vincent comes to mind. Not that they look alike, because they don't really, but the heart of a big air/oil cooled V-Twin in a sporting chassis sounds great to me. I've been to the nearest Victory dealer (about 80 miles from my house) and looked/sat on them but haven't ridden one. I'm a motorcycle minimalist, so of all the stock bikes the High Ball appeals to me the most. Still, I'd like a bike with "standard" ergonomics. Higher saddle and foot pegs/controls further back. Lots to consider, and I'm moving slowly. Victory engines from late model wrecked bikes seem to go fairly cheap, and that's a big draw towards doing a ground up build. Whichever way I go, thanks for the welcome and the input, and best regards.

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Is this what your are looking to do????
Yes, that's the style I like. Classic. Low bars, but not true clip ons. Might want the pegs a little further forward. Those look like real rear sets. My 65 year old knees probably wouldn't like that much. lol! But overall, that's what I like.

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Joe, you've read my mind! Whenever I look at the Victory engine, Vincent comes to mind. Not that they look alike, because they don't really, but the heart of a big air/oil cooled V-Twin in a sporting chassis sounds great to me. I've been to the nearest Victory dealer (about 80 miles from my house) and looked/sat on them but haven't ridden one. I'm a motorcycle minimalist, so of all the stock bikes the High Ball appeals to me the most. Still, I'd like a bike with "standard" ergonomics. Higher saddle and foot pegs/controls further back. Lots to consider, and I'm moving slowly. Victory engines from late model wrecked bikes seem to go fairly cheap, and that's a big draw towards doing a ground up build. Whichever way I go, thanks for the welcome and the input, and best regards.

Bob
A thing to remember is that they are can bus bikes with proprietary ecm's and electronics. No overall schematics are available.
Everything talks to the ECM and will not often work with out the correct serial number etc.
Even the blinkers run through the ECM. It too is proprietary and no overall software is available to the public as far as I can tell. Not like HD where you can access the timing maps at the ECM.
You must use a Fuel tuner / power commander to add or subtract timing and there are work arounds like the loyds mechanical timing wheel etc.
Bummer huh.
There are definitely some people who understand what can be done and what can't. At this point I am not one of them. However you need to talk to them before you get out your check book or you could end up with additional projects like megasquirting, mounting speedo sensor etc.
There is one guy here Kevin x who is very sharp on the mystery end of things and I am sure there are a lot of others, you might contact him to get some insight or others in the tech section can answer your questions or point you to those who can.


Good luck in whatever you decide. I'd seriously consider doing the factory demo rides as an alternative to the dealer but leave your checkbook home when you do or it will be a bit lighter when the day is over. Mine was. Also scout out a good dealer before you buy a new bike. Dealers really matter with this brand should you have problems.
 

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A thing to remember is that they are can bus bikes with proprietary ecm's and electronics. No overall schematics are available.
Everything talks to the ECM and will not often work with out the correct serial number etc.
Even the blinkers run through the ECM. It too is proprietary and no overall software is available to the public as far as I can tell. Not like HD where you can access the timing maps at the ECM.
You must use a Fuel tuner / power commander to add or subtract timing and there are work arounds like the loyds mechanical timing wheel etc.
I would add that is only on 2011 and newer bikes.... that are CAN-Bus systems. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the CAN-bus systems, It is a very useful system for overall organization and operations of electronics and CAN BE manipulated with the right people working on it. But VIC is not going to be that support for you in that endeavor....
 

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I would add that is only on 2011 and newer bikes.... that are CAN-Bus systems. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the CAN-bus systems, It is a very useful system for overall organization and operations of electronics and CAN BE manipulated with the right people working on it. But VIC is not going to be that support for you in that endeavor....
Said perfectly, it can add unexpected expenses if you are planning on cannibalizing bikes for a build and don't take it into account.
 

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A thing to remember is that they are can bus bikes with proprietary ecm's and electronics. No overall schematics are available.
Everything talks to the ECM and will not often work with out the correct serial number etc.
Yeah, bummer and a big concern. I've been thinking about a work around, but there's practically no options. The Harley aftermarket has electronics that will allow at least the igniton, if not the injection, to operate in a "stand alone" situation, and I wonder if one of those could be adapted to the Victory engine? One major problem I see with that is that the Harley has a 45º V angle and the Victory is 50º, so the firing intervals wouldn't work. The Harley aftermarket ignition modules require a carb since they don't support injection, and that's another problem. Anybody ever put carbs on a Victory? I'd better stop. I'm talking myself out of this project, or maybe coming to my senses. lol!

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Well if you are listening to Joe about customizing 'experience' (or politics) than yes you will be losing your senses.... :rolleyes:

Costs are going to be relative to whatever you decide to customize... whether its building parts or finding a "guru" to manipulate code....

Truly customizing something is finding a way to make IT WORK! .... and it will.

Just GO FOR IT!!!
 

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Your just jealous of my politics. :ltr:
But he is right in that I am not expert on these. I have built HD's all my life and was unprepared for the differences which as you mentioned are substantial. You do need to talk to someone with experience though or it will cost you $$ You could megasquirt one but getting a timing map correct without the proper dyno and the ability to use it would seem to be a huge undertaking. Don't know but wouldn't even consider it myself. Not sure why you couldn't just use the stock ECM but you would want to buy a crashed donor bike rather than just an engine. Best talk to an expert.cheers
 
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