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wear your seat belt in your car/truck. Supposing in those states that do not have a helmet...if it were also legal to drive a vehicle without wearing a seat belt...would you? Not trying to stir up anything just curious to see if the perception of danger or lack there of for those guys who ride without a helmet would also extend to a 4 wheeled vehicle!!
 

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I think you have to get out more and worry less about what others do
The Federal government black mailed all states by holding back hwy money if they didn't pass a seat belt law. Who made the government do this of coarse insurance company's and they said it would lower or rates wac
 

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Sometimes I wear my helmet while I'm driving my car. Then you don't have to wear the seat belt.
 

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Sometimes I wear my helmet while I'm driving my car. Then you don't have to wear the seat belt.
This should be mandatory from everyone in Washington DC. Even the passengers in the limo's. :D
 

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I don't have to worry about helmet or seat belt, because my truck runs on motorcycle tires. :ltr: cheers :D
 

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Well, since you ask. I wore a seat belt before there was a law. I live in a state where I qualify to opt out of the helmet. I wear it. I wore it during the times the helmet law was out, in, and back out. I also ride ATGATT.

I enjoy my freedom. I have turned the "freedom" coin over to the flip side and found "responsibility". No day without night, right without wrong, yadda, yadda.

All the lame, limp innuendos are just that, lame and limp. Kinda like the electrical engineer that lives in our area. He is a 12 year old now due to two head injuries. He'll tell you quickly the helmet you are wearing is bad, and how it is so much better to have an open head injury than a closed one. WTF?!?! I had the privilege of scraping him off the road both times and to be honest didn't think he would live through either one. Now he is an advocate for the use, even though he doesn't think so.

I do run across the occasional person who tell me they understand the consequences of riding lidless, they just choose to do so. That I can respect. Leave all the urban BS out of it.

YMMV
 

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I had the privilege of scraping him off the road both times and to be honest didn't think he would live through either one...I also ride ATGATT.
It's funny. I've known a lot of bartenders who were drunks and respiratory therapists who smoked, I just figured the kind of professions that deal with the public have some crazy desire to be the care taker instead of the care giver.

Now you've gone and ruined my theory!
 

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Since my wise-assery went largely underappreciated (I know I'm not as funny as I think I am, I just can't help myself), I shoot straight with this next response.

If seat belts weren't mandated by law, I like to believe I'd still wear one. I was in a car accident about 10 or 11 years ago with a friend in his late-model first-gen Ford Escort. It was a fairly low-speed crash, maybe 25 or 30 mph. I was wearing the lap belt, but his automatic shoulder belts had been disabled. The airbag kept me from eating dashboard, but that was about it. I did get to walk away with a ruptured eardrum and lips that swelled to baboon's-ass proportions from the impact of the airbag...but I know it would've been much better than that if I'd had that shoulder harness on.

I always wear my seatbelt. It's gotten to wear I always wear my helmet too, because I feel REALLY insecure without it.

I just don't think the government has any business telling me I have to do either, or punishing me if I don't.
 

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Do you know what really amazes me? People who spend 20k, 25k, 30 k or more on a motorcycle and can't ride for ****. Use their feet as training wheels and don't spend a dime on motorcycle lessons. This, IMHO, is much worse than if I wear a helmet or not. This is what most probably will get you seriously injured or dead even if you are wearing a super duper helmet. Yet very few people will take a course or tell others they ride with, that they need to at least practice and also spend some money to ride proficiently.
 

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It's funny. I've known a lot of bartenders who were drunks and respiratory therapists who smoked, I just figured the kind of professions that deal with the public have some crazy desire to be the care taker instead of the care giver.

Now you've gone and ruined my theory!
Not really. Sounds solid to me. I still smoke. Probably quit ten times in the past 20 years. One of these days it will stick. I'm one of the few that I know that doesn't drink, a lot.

Most of this started before becoming a Paramedic. For some reason, I don't get into pain. After trying out road, it sucked, I figured gear would be a good idea. I was sure happy when they began making riding gear with armor, instead of wear anything you like as long as it is leather. Fine for winter, but not so much in our summers.

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Do you know what really amazes me? People who spend 20k, 25k, 30 k or more on a motorcycle and can't ride for ****. Use their feet as training wheels and don't spend a dime on motorcycle lessons. This, IMHO, is much worse than if I wear a helmet or not. This is what most probably will get you seriously injured or dead even if you are wearing a super duper helmet. Yet very few people will take a course or tell others they ride with, that they need to at least practice and also spend some money to ride proficiently.
I agree with some of this. Proper training and education allows people to make informed decisions based on that knowledge. It will make them safer riders in general, whether there's a helmet on their head or not. If they still choose to go without, that's their informed choice.
 

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I am lost here. Do you guys support using appropriate gear or not?
I have been riding with a helmet since way before it became anything required by any state at all. One of them saved my life way back in 1968 and I have had no doubt since then that I should wear a helmet. My lawyer, who was trying to reclaim something from the other driver, actually asked me if I was wearing a helmet because he expected to lose any suit if I was not, even with no laws at all about using one. I have decided to always ride with a good jacket since re-entering the riders group. Back when my helmet saved my life I was well scarred up because the denim jacket I was wearing provided almost no protection and the jeans I was wearing gave little more than minor road rash protection. My broken clavicle and my broken right knee caused me to lose about 6 months from work. The multiple stitches it took to pull together the skin on my left shin, where the flesh was simply missing, left no doubt in my mind that better leg protection would have been good.
Forget the huge cost numbers. I was riding a bike that sold new for under $1000. A jacket back then cost about $100 in leather and had no armor at all. It was simple abrasion protection. Today I use a mesh jacket that gives me superior protection compared to that old leather one.
Stop trying to justify riding with inadequate protection because there are seat belt laws, that has absolutely no bearing on what it is smart to do when riding. BS is BS and trying to justify an indefensible position is simply futile.
 

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I think you have to get out more and worry less about what others do
The Federal government black mailed all states by holding back hwy money if they didn't pass a seat belt law. Who made the government do this of coarse insurance company's and they said it would lower or rates wac
LOL Oh I get out. I am in outside Sales in Dallas. I ride my back to call on customers usually at least 3 times a week and if I dont ride during the day I ride at night. (40 Degrees and above with 30% chance of rain or less and Im riding) Its because of this fact that safety is so much on my mind. From the congested downtown Dallas work-a-day highways to gravel and pot hole covered country roads I ride on all of it. And it seems like around every turn or just over every hill there is some moron who cant drive or some raggedy ass road thats looking to put my ass on the pavement in a heartbeat. I wish I could get out of my head. I wish I didnt see all the angles but I do. I know every time I venture out I am taking a gamble and I am try to mitigate the risks as best I can. But all that being said I am also just a student of human nature. When I cruise past another rider while I'm leathered up and full face protected and he is in a t-Shirt, shorts, tennis shoes and no helmet it gets my big ole brain to thinkin. So since maybe some of those people I see every day just might be on this forum I figured I would waste a little time picking their brains as to why they do what they do. Who knows maybe they know something I dont. But worry about them I do not. I've got my plate full of worries with a wife 2 young boys and my wifes TOY dog that seems hell bent on getting himself killed. So please dont confuse my questioning nature for nosiness or a bleeding heart set on petitioning everyones rights away...just looking for a little more understanding in senseless world!!
 

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BS is BS and trying to justify an indefensible position is simply futile.
Say what you will, but I spent good money for my grill down at "Gowd Teef Fo Yo Mouf," and damn it, I want people to see it!
 

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LOL Oh I get out. I am in outside Sales in Dallas. I ride my back to call on customers usually at least 3 times a week and if I dont ride during the day I ride at night. (40 Degrees and above with 30% chance of rain or less and Im riding) Its because of this fact that safety is so much on my mind. From the congested downtown Dallas work-a-day highways to gravel and pot hole covered country roads I ride on all of it. And it seems like around every turn or just over every hill there is some moron who cant drive or some raggedy ass road thats looking to put my ass on the pavement in a heartbeat. I wish I could get out of my head. I wish I didnt see all the angles but I do. I know every time I venture out I am taking a gamble and I am try to mitigate the risks as best I can. But all that being said I am also just a student of human nature. When I cruise past another rider while I'm leathered up and full face protected and he is in a t-Shirt, shorts, tennis shoes and no helmet it gets my big ole brain to thinkin. So since maybe some of those people I see every day just might be on this forum I figured I would waste a little time picking their brains as to why they do what they do. Who knows maybe they know something I dont. But worry about them I do not. I've got my plate full of worries with a wife 2 young boys and my wifes TOY dog that seems hell bent on getting himself killed. So please dont confuse my questioning nature for nosiness or a bleeding heart set on petitioning everyones rights away...just looking for a little more understanding in senseless world!!
Isn't that prostitution? Not that I'm against prostitution, I'm just asking.:ltr:
 

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I am lost here. Do you guys support using appropriate gear or not?
I have been riding with a helmet since way before it became anything required by any state at all. One of them saved my life way back in 1968 and I have had no doubt since then that I should wear a helmet. My lawyer, who was trying to reclaim something from the other driver, actually asked me if I was wearing a helmet because he expected to lose any suit if I was not, even with no laws at all about using one. I have decided to always ride with a good jacket since re-entering the riders group. Back when my helmet saved my life I was well scarred up because the denim jacket I was wearing provided almost no protection and the jeans I was wearing gave little more than minor road rash protection. My broken clavicle and my broken right knee caused me to lose about 6 months from work. The multiple stitches it took to pull together the skin on my left shin, where the flesh was simply missing, left no doubt in my mind that better leg protection would have been good.
Forget the huge cost numbers. I was riding a bike that sold new for under $1000. A jacket back then cost about $100 in leather and had no armor at all. It was simple abrasion protection. Today I use a mesh jacket that gives me superior protection compared to that old leather one.
Stop trying to justify riding with inadequate protection because there are seat belt laws, that has absolutely no bearing on what it is smart to do when riding. BS is BS and trying to justify an indefensible position is simply futile.
It's a good idea to gear up when you ride. But at some point gearing up for protection makes riding so much of a pain that it's no longer any fun. I've got all this for a 'safe' ride:

  1. Full Face Helmet
  2. Leather Jacket
  3. Kevlar Jeans
  4. Reinforced Leather Gloves
  5. Windshield
  6. Reinforced Motorcycle Boots
  7. Shin / Knee Armor *
  8. Back Protector / Shoulder Armor / Jacket Reinforcements *
* I never wear the extra armor.

Putting on all that gear every time I go for a ride becomes an exercise in patience and heat management instead of a fun time enjoying the wind in my face. Plus it also means that I can't just hop on the bike and go to the store, or meet up with people. All the gear gets in the way. If I want to 'be safe' then I have to gear up, go riding, and that's it. When I'm done I have to come home and store all my gear.

Realistically, I don't want to wear all that gear and I'm not going to do it every time I ride. I'd rather just sell the bike at that point. Why bother? I'm not a speed demon. I'm not trying to enjoy the thrill of riding around like an asshole, burning my way out of red lights. I just want to get outside and experience the wind running over me on a cool bike that I customized. All the gear takes away a lot of that.
 
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