Cut the guy some slack. His name is Brian HARLEY afterall. :ltr:Yeah it does appear their reviews are pretty dang fluffy as if they're on H-D's payroll. Haven't been impressed by that guy's reviews much at all on any bikes. "Yeah Dude, it's a cool bike.. I dig it.."
Fluffy... yes, I like that word.Yeah it does appear their reviews are pretty dang fluffy
I tried. Yes, cool job, but the pay is terrible. Now if you had another income...Makes me want to become a bike reviewer... How's a guy bust into that gig?
Exactly. Not much to brag about.I was actually surprised at how little power the Indian made in the comparison. I know that it makes more power than the Harley but bragging about making more power than Harley is like bragging about being the smartest kid in the special education class.
Yeah... the Indian is a 2 valve motor. The valve arrangement looks like a freakin' Briggs & Stratton. The Yamaha, on the other hand, is 4 valve so it naturally breathes better.Indian 111
73 HP @ 4500 rpm, 101 ft-lbs @ 2700 rpm
87 HP @ 4400 rpm, 111 ft-lbs @ 2300 rpm
I don't know. I guess I was expecting to see something closer to 80+ HP and 110 Ft-lbs of torque out of a modern 111 cubic inch twin.
I do but the current Indian lineup is just that. If you want an Indian, you are going to have to pay $20K and it is their ONLY product (right now). It does look like Polaris is targeting the doctors and lawyers who have the disposable income and (up until now) have only had one choice of bikes to blow all that cash on, Harley.But you realize you are the exception not the rule. Building 20K starter bikes would break a company.
The new 2014 RK gets a little hotter cams this year too, but frankly I don't notice huge power differentials between any of the big twins I've ridden. They all are more than adequate for backroad applications. I've never gotten a big twin Harley on an interstate to see if it had adequate chops for that. And that is where I've found some big twins lacking in the past.The Indian peaks at 4500 RPM and is done at 5000... The Harley winds out to 5500... but the Harley still loses on power. The "A" motor from a Road King would have done a little better than the "B" motor of the Softail.
I see yamaha as a superior brand to victory. Fit and finish, as far as mechanical goes. I find out after I get back from Lloyds on the 29th. Can't speak for customer support on Yamaha, well I guess I could, I never had to call them for my bikes or wave runner. Brother has a 96 honda he loves 50k miles no problems since he had it.Exactly. Not much to brag about.
Yeah... the Indian is a 2 valve motor. The valve arrangement looks like a freakin' Briggs & Stratton. The Yamaha, on the other hand, is 4 valve so it naturally breathes better.
There's one other factor that is undeniable... it matters... The Yamaha is Japanese, the Indian and HD are American Icons. In this country, even if the Yamaha made sandwiches and did dishes it would still be a 'lesser' motorcycle in the eyes of the American consumer. Hell, American consumers STILL look at Victory as a "metric" and classify them right in there with a Japanese bike. "It'll never be a Harley", right? Indian will out-sell Victory in their second year. Why? Simple, it's a household American name. Period.
The Indian engine is built to make strong grunt on the bottom end and that's all. Cruiser riders all want that, right? Polaris is banking on it. Almost everyone who test rides the Indian talks about how powerful it feels, so it's working for them.
People always say 'fit and finish'... are there parts that don't fit right, or are we talking about 'finishes' meaning paint and chrome?I see yamaha as a superior brand to victory. Fit and finish, as far as mechanical goes, I find out after I get back from Lloyds on the 29th. The 2 years I've owned my pin, I've had more problems then my bikes/wave runner combined. Shitty paint noisy clutch that dealer and polaris claim it to be normal.