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Last Friday I had a Harley D407 Rear tire and Elite 3 installed and balanced on my 2008 Vegas at the Victory dealer about an hour from my house. Paid $167.00 plus tax for the front tire plus $34.00 to remove front tire with mount and balance included since I bought the tire from them. Rear Harley D407 was $34.00 to remove from bike and $50.00 more for mount and balance since I did not buy the tire from them. Also had state inspection done $12.50 and a voltage regulator installed for $195.00 plus tax. Spent $509.00 at the dealer. Not a big deal just wanted bike ready for spring. Tech did all the work in one hour and 15 minutes including a test ride. He has worked on my bike before and he is quick. Gave the tech a tip and thanked him. On the way home 55 mph tops as it was cold thought I felt a strange vibration. Next day took it out and felt this same new vibration. Called the dealer and asked what they thought about Dyna Beads and or Ride On. Dealer said they don't use them and also said if I used a product like ride on they charge an automatic $20.00 more per tire change. Took bike out today and got up to 75mph and problem is more pronounced. Noticed rear tire green dot is about 18 inches away from valve stem. Two ounces of weight exactly where dot is. One ounce on front tire green dot 1 to 2 inches from valve stem. No weights on wheels from factory and never had a vibration before. Olds tires wore evenly with no scalloping. So I called Dealer back and said there was a definite issue with the bike and vibration. We talked. I am bringing it in tomorrow morning for the tech to ride it again. Dealer said if it was the front wheel it shouldn't be a problem he could rebalance it. Told him I believed it was the rear tire because of reasons stated above and vibration is more in the seat and less in the bars. Dealer said they would determine how bad it was but if it was the rear tire it takes a lot of time and we would have to discuss it. Remember tech spent a total of one hour and fifteen minutes total on bike the first time. I know because I got to dealer at 10 AM and my credit card receipt after being billed out says 11:18 AM. Dealer in the past has been a good Dealer and hope I feel the same way after tomorrow. I realize I did not buy the rear tire from them but I paid $84.00 to have it removed from bike mounted and balanced so if it is wrong as I believe it is I don't feel as though I should have to pay more to have it done properly. I will keep you posted after my trip to the Dealer tomorrow. What do you think?
 

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Nah,a REAL good tech would mount it with the words "Harley-Davidson" on the inside.
 

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you don't think there could be an issue with mixing the 407 with the elite III do you? when I put my 407 on, I also put a 408 on the front. never had any vibration. just throwing out thoughts here.
 

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The Elite front and 407 rear is a very common combination. I doubt it would cause any issues. I plan to be running this combination in the near future myself, so I will be interested in other comments.

Sounds as if your dealer is a good one, hope they follow through, as they should, in my opinion.

I would check my tires for out of round conditions. Just get it off the ground and spin it, with some method for holding a pointer close to the tire center outside edge.

Do you know what method of balancing they used? That sure seems to be a huge amount of weight, on both tires, frankly.
 

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I recently installed Avon Cobras, replacing the original E3s that had vibrations too. Even put Ride-On in the E3s and I still got hammered at higher speeds. What a difference! The Cobras are smoother and gripier. Won't go back to Dunlop.
 

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Go back to dealer and have them recheck the balance or even get differing tire
 

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Thanks for all the replies and ideas. Sorry to take so long with response. On my way to dealer to get bike checked got called for emergency shut down for work and have been working 12 hour days plus 2 hours travel time. First of all I was mistaken as I have a half ounce of weight on front tire and 1 ounce on rear tire. Upon arrival, the dealer himself took bike for a ride and said he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary but said he wanted his tech to ride it. Justin took it for a ride, got it up to 85 mph and said he did not notice anything abnormal. We discussed it awhile and he said it was possible I was feeling something they were not as I was use to my bike. Justin said he did have some customers that use Dyna Beads and they seem to work fine. Told him I would ride the bike some more and might try dyna beads to see if they would make a difference. Before that I am going to play with the air pressure in the tires to see if I notice any changes with the bike. Had a quick nice ride home knowing there was no Major problem to address with the bike. Like I said it just feels different, not a major shake or anything just a slight vibration. Since then it has been sitting in the garage as I work my 12 hour days. On the plus side. the bike seems to handle much better when it comes to tar snakes. Ride safe!!!
 

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Not sure what tire you replaced them with, but I have noticed if you change brands of tires, you get a different ride--some are much stiffer and magnify imperfections in the road. There is a ton of difference between Perrelli and Metzler in ride "feel". Could that be the issue? Tire pressure also makes a big difference. Just thinking out lould with the keyboard.
 

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Like Johnny said, he should have match-mounted the tire (aligning the dot with the valve stem) before spinning it...BUT...if there's weight on the wheel it should be in balance unless it was done poorly. It is also possible the D407 picks up more road vibration than the previous tire, but honestly, the dealer should be willing to double check the balance for free if you feel you have a ride issue stemming from the work they did.
 

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Is it possible that you could have had a weight or weights fall off? I kept losing my factory weights shortly after buying my XR. I took the remaining weights off and installed Ride-On in my E3s and still had a mean vibration at higher speeds. When the E3s were removed from the wheels, a lot of the Ride-On was stuck to the rim, so I went with Dyna Beads in the Cobras and I'm enjoying a superior and smoother ride.
 

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Not sure what tire you replaced them with, but I have noticed if you change brands of tires, you get a different ride--some are much stiffer and magnify imperfections in the road. There is a ton of difference between Perrelli and Metzler in ride "feel". Could that be the issue? Tire pressure also makes a big difference. Just thinking out lould with the keyboard.
Good thoughts. replaced OEM Dunlop Elite 3 front tire with the same tire and Dunlop OEM D417 rear tire with Dunlop D407 MT tire. The difference is the D417 has a harder rubber in the middle of the tire which is suppose to result in longer tire life. That could result in a different feel or magnify a slight vibration. I also intend to play with the air pressure to see if it changes the feel. Thanks for the ideas.
 

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Like Johnny said, he should have match-mounted the tire (aligning the dot with the valve stem) before spinning it...BUT...if there's weight on the wheel it should be in balance unless it was done poorly. It is also possible the D407 picks up more road vibration than the previous tire, but honestly, the dealer should be willing to double check the balance for free if you feel you have a ride issue stemming from the work they did.
I questioned both the dealer and the tech about aligning the dot with the valve stem. The said they are much more careful with the front tire and that was aligned with the stem. The tech said the rear tire is not as critical and the weight he added would counteract and balance that out as you stated Luciferiad. ( I also talked to a Harley tech where I bought the D407 tire. He said they do not always line up the green dot to the stem on that tire and it varies according to the bike and or rim it is being mounted on.) It may be the D407 picks up more road vibration due to the harder rubber in the middle of the tire. They both did take time to test ride the bike and they did not feel as though there was a problem. I was in sales for twenty years and I believe they were sincere in their opinions and not just blowing smoke. As I stated the vibration is not major but is different since the tire change. Good thoughts thanks.
 

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Is it possible that you could have had a weight or weights fall off? I kept losing my factory weights shortly after buying my XR. I took the remaining weights off and installed Ride-On in my E3s and still had a mean vibration at higher speeds. When the E3s were removed from the wheels, a lot of the Ride-On was stuck to the rim, so I went with Dyna Beads in the Cobras and I'm enjoying a superior and smoother ride.
RICZ I did check tires right after they were mounted. Front tire had (2) 1/4 oz weights and rear had (4) 1/4 oz weights and all are still on tires. Possibly will try dyna beads later on. Found out today I may be going to Massachusetts Monday when this week is over for 6 to 9 weeks of another plant shut down. Can't wait for repair season to be over so I can ride!
 

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I questioned both the dealer and the tech about aligning the dot with the valve stem. The said they are much more careful with the front tire and that was aligned with the stem. The tech said the rear tire is not as critical and the weight he added would counteract and balance that out as you stated Luciferiad. ( I also talked to a Harley tech where I bought the D407 tire. He said they do not always line up the green dot to the stem on that tire and it varies according to the bike and or rim it is being mounted on.) It may be the D407 picks up more road vibration due to the harder rubber in the middle of the tire. They both did take time to test ride the bike and they did not feel as though there was a problem. I was in sales for twenty years and I believe they were sincere in their opinions and not just blowing smoke. As I stated the vibration is not major but is different since the tire change. Good thoughts thanks.
Honestly it sounds like they're being pretty straight with you to me too. And the match-mount dot is really just a reference. If you actually went all-out on a match-mount install to truly have the least amount of weight possible on the rim, the dot wouldn't be aligned then, either thumb up
 

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I don't remember if the vibration is in the rear or front.
The tire that has 4 1/4 weights on it they should re do.
If you walk into a h-d store and look at New bikes you will not find any weights and all dots are dead nuts on the valve stem.
You can mount a tire so there is no weights but it takes a lot of spinning breaking tire loose rotate and re spin.
If there any kind of dealer they would re balance. Yes two tech road it and said it was OK but does that mean they felt the vibration and it wasn't bad and just don't want to redo the balancing.
The Dunlops could be bad rubber
You paid good money you should get what you paid for.
 
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