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This may not be an issue anyone here can help with but you never know. I have a 2010 XR and the maintenance schedule is every 2500miles. The 2011 XR's have a 5000 miles maintenance schedule. Does anyone know if Victory will allow the 2010 to go by that schedule too. I didn't want to call some customer service rep who really doesn't know just to have them say no because they don't want to research it so I thought I'd ask here first to see if anyone else had dealt with this before.
 

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You will void your warranty if you do not follow the recommended 2500 mile service. Will the transmission and/or engine fail? Probably not. But you are taking a chance, and you are definitely voiding your warranty.

Oil changes are cheap - the savings of skipping an oil change is not worth the risk of engine and/or transmission failure.
 

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I should have been a little more clear. I apologize for that. I do the oil changes myself since they are so cheap. My biggest concern is all the other checks that get done during the 2500 mile service. Since it costs over $200.00 every time i take it in for a 2500 mile service it would be nice to be able to cut that in half and only do it every 5000miles or are all those other checks they do really not that important?
 

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I can't speak for Victory in particular, but I have yet to come across a vehicle manufacturer (cage or scoot) who can deny warranty claims based on not doing the recommended services barring someone who completely neglects any and all service. Same thing in regards to aftermarket accessories. The burden of proof is on the gaurantor (warranty company) to show that whatever you did or did not do to your vehicle caused the issue.
 

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The improved tranny is why the oil change has been extended.

Posting on this forum that you are thinking of extending the oil change interval can be used as proof if your tranny fails.

It is recommended to be changed at 2500 miles. There is no good reason to chance it by extending the oil change to 5000.

Chances are nothing bad will happen but if it does, you'll be paying a few thousand dollars for a new tranny and saying "I should have changed it at 2500 miles".

Warranty won't cover it because like so many other companies out there they can use the internet and if they find just this post your warranty will be voided. It will show willful neglect of the manufacturers recommended oil change.

Like I said. Why chance it?
 

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FYI the Subaru Impreza and Mitsubishi Lancer forums provided proof of abuse to tranny's and rear ends to the point a lot of hot rodders warranty claims were denied!!!

Those two manufacturers went on those web sites and was able to deny claims based off of what some members posted about the use of their cars.
 

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That's crazy! Big brother is watching you - beware of the power of the internet...
 

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I can't speak for Victory in particular, but I have yet to come across a vehicle manufacturer (cage or scoot) who can deny warranty claims based on not doing the recommended services barring someone who completely neglects any and all service. Same thing in regards to aftermarket accessories. The burden of proof is on the gaurantor (warranty company) to show that whatever you did or did not do to your vehicle caused the issue.
I don't mean to contradict you, but I must. :eek: Worked in an auto dealership before, and seen more things than I wanted to see. Seen a denied engine replacement claim since customer was unable to provide all oil receipts for oil changes.

Also have seen after market improvements being used as an excuse to refuse warranty coverage.

Dealerships and manufacturers look a lot better from the outside. Join one, and you'll see the other side of the fence. ;)

Don't think the warranty company or manufacturer is willing to just buy you a new engine. Warranties are nothing more than an insurance business, and when big claims come in, they will pull the magnifying glass out and start inspecting.
 

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I don't mean to contradict you, but I must. :eek: Worked in an auto dealership before, and seen more things than I wanted to see. Seen a denied engine replacement claim since customer was unable to provide all oil receipts for oil changes.

Also have seen after market improvements being used as an excuse to refuse warranty coverage.

Dealerships and manufacturers look a lot better from the outside. Join one, and you'll see the other side of the fence. ;)

Don't think the warranty company or manufacturer is willing to just buy you a new engine. Warranties are nothing more than an insurance business, and when big claims come in, they will pull the magnifying glass out and start inspecting.
As have I actually (about five years) and like you, saw some things I didn't like. Saw MANY times where they'd deny things out right. It's a business and freely giving away money isn't good business practice. 90% of the customers would just take the denial for what it was, get pissed and move on. However, the few who pushed back won every time. Sometimes it was the whole squeeky wheel thing, other times they took it to court. It could be a state by state situation at that level, though. But the word "recommended" maintanence is what saves the customer. Same thing for accessories, though that can get a bit dicier. :)
 

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I would think good sense judgement wins it out here.

If the question is, "will doing my own service intervals void my warranty", the answer is most likely "no". This assumes the work was done correctly. Best to keep receipts and good records, and allow the dealer to perform any technical inspections, if there are any (my BMW needed value inspections/adjustments, not something I would normally perform).

As for aftermarket modifications, the best course of reason is that if a modification is made that can directly result in a failure, it will most likely come under heavy scrutiny. This means, if you jack with something and it fails, be prepared. A warranty cannot be voided in total for a isolated modification. So if you make aftermarket modifications to your suspension, and you have suspension issues down the road, you're liable to be rejected. However, if you have a transmission issue, they cannot reject it because you made a suspension modification - unless the two can be linked.

All said, dealers and guarantors run their businesses as such, and you will find all sorts of types out there - good and bad. My advice is to find a dealer you trust, build a good relationship with them by visiting them, purchase all of your service items from them so they have the records, keep very good records of everything you do, and if you have issues, they will be more likely to stand behind you.
 

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The only way to truly be sure is to send a sample of the oil in to be tested at 2500 miles to see how it's doing.

My feeling is Ma Vic was being overly cautious when recommending the 2500 mile oil change and other inspections.

You can download a service manual or buy one to do the inspections and adjustments of the other items yourself. I never take my bike in for service. I always do it myself and save the oil and filter receipts and document any adjustments I make to the clutch, belt, etc.
 

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Just use a true, good, synthetic oil

I 100% disagree.

The manual states to use a SEMI-Synthetic. Even though there are many that have run full syn with no problem I don't see a reason to do it.

I think this can go back to the warranty issue being discussed in as much as if you are using full syn and something happens the manufacturer can blame the customer for ignoring the recommendation.
 

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When I was in college my professor would say "the most important thing is what it says not to do or use"

I haven't read anything where it says not to use a full Synthetic oil.
Suggestion: the calling up in the mind of one idea by another by virtue of some association or of some natural connection between the ideas.

I have been using the Victory oil but will change to amsoil next time. I use it in all my bikes and cars.
to each their own.
 

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Hehe... oil fight! This is going to be a blood, errr, oil bath!
 

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I'm going to defer to what KevinX said on this very forum not too long ago.

Quote "There hasn't been any Semi-Synthetic oil issues" and what he didn't say but implied was; there were some issues with full synthetic oils. I've read this on many of the Vic forums enough to believe it to be true.

Having said that; there was a guy who rode a Kingpin 200,000 miles on Amsoil. There seems to be nothing to link one Victory to the next as far as how one will do good on pure synth and the bike next to it won't. So far no one, as far as I know, has any idea why one bike will do well on it and the other won't.

What I take away from this knowledge is really simple. Use full synth at your own risk or play it safe and use a good semi-synth. Victory has one of the best semi-synth oil's available but I'm personally not too happy with what they charge.

If it's like the accessory parts Victory has; it means the oil is made by a third or even fourth party and by the time it gets to the Victory dealership it has been marked up 5 or 6 times making it far too expensive for what it is.

A good Valvoline Semi-Synth will do just as well as the high dollar Vic oil in my humble opinion but you accept all risks if you use something different than the party line Vic oil.

Just sayin'....
 

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You will void your warranty if you do not follow the recommended 2500 mile service. Will the transmission and/or engine fail? Probably not. But you are taking a chance, and you are definitely voiding your warranty.

Oil changes are cheap - the savings of skipping an oil change is not worth the risk of engine and/or transmission failure.
I can't speak for Victory in particular, but I have yet to come across a vehicle manufacturer (cage or scoot) who can deny warranty claims based on not doing the recommended services barring someone who completely neglects any and all service. Same thing in regards to aftermarket accessories. The burden of proof is on the gaurantor (warranty company) to show that whatever you did or did not do to your vehicle caused the issue.
The improved tranny is why the oil change has been extended.

Posting on this forum that you are thinking of extending the oil change interval can be used as proof if your tranny fails.

It is recommended to be changed at 2500 miles. There is no good reason to chance it by extending the oil change to 5000.

Chances are nothing bad will happen but if it does, you'll be paying a few thousand dollars for a new tranny and saying "I should have changed it at 2500 miles".

Warranty won't cover it because like so many other companies out there they can use the internet and if they find just this post your warranty will be voided. It will show willful neglect of the manufacturers recommended oil change.

Like I said. Why chance it?
FYI the Subaru Impreza and Mitsubishi Lancer forums provided proof of abuse to tranny's and rear ends to the point a lot of hot rodders warranty claims were denied!!!

Those two manufacturers went on those web sites and was able to deny claims based off of what some members posted about the use of their cars.
The post directly above is somewhat true ONLY due to they were using their vehicles on a Race Track which voids a warranty immediately.

A Manufacturer CANNOT void a warranty for Maintenance practices/intervals... IT IS against the Law... Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

They will try and if you do not know the facts, they will succeed in pulling the wool over your eyes.

I have owned 3 shops and managed several others. I used the M-M Act to my customers advantage. I got nabbed once by my John Deere Rep when I informed a customer.. He was pissed... I told him all I did was care about my customers.


The Best isn't cheap
Cheap isn't The Best


Bob
 

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Scamsoil once and you never need to do anything ever again.
All is well grasshopper:ltr::ltr:
I see you need to grow up a little.

Any time you wish to pit your knowledge and experience in oil without a bunch of BS, let me know.

I have been in business Since 1972, with AMSOIL Since 1984.

I have owned and sold 3 shops, managed several others over the years and was a Certified Tech. As far as oil, I have spent Many thousands of dollors and hundreds of hours in continuing education over the years.

Oil, is the Lifeblood of your engine. The oil filter, is the Kidney that keeps it clean.

The Best isn't cheap
Cheap isn't The Best


Bob
 
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