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After about a year give or take lurking or posting here Pop has picked up a bunch of good info, ignored some silliness and come to a couple conclusions.

Vic is a victim of its own making. Regardless what riding background we hail from Victory has managed to attract an ownership base that pretty much covers all the bases.

Triumph and Beemwa can argue the same thing (and no, Honda and the others from that hemisphere can but it falls on deaf ears) but the fundamental dif is if you go Victory then you are buying a single platform machine. To paraphrase Henry Ford giving a tour of Spirit Lake, you can have any style you want as long as it's a heavyweight 106. So Vic has by design become a fairly homogenous brand that sells to riders of waay different concepts of what riding is and what a motorcycle is expected to provide.

Therein lies the rub. It is a given that Vics don't break so what's a griping human to do? Find a bitch and let it eat you up, that's what.

I don't typically need to know a Vic riders history to know his background when he complains.

Lack of comfort- rode Asian bikes
Too much plastic- rode American bikes
Transmission and/or engine noise- Asian and Euro
Controls- American
Buffeting- Asian
Fit and finish- American

The list goes on and I'm sure that there are exceptions to the rules but it's a common condition.

I guess the lesson learned for Pop is that if you come from an American riding sensibility, then do not approach the mediocre fit and finish with that American bolt on eye to curing it because the work to correct it is beyond the capability or level of commitment of most of us. Literally replacing plastic body components with custom fabbed metals is not in the cards. Practically, when you are in the buying mode, look at these items closely. Know thyself. There is a manufacturer that has sorted fit and finish and has plentiful options to improve and change it at your whim. It ain't Vic.

Asian riders are not going to find a solution to the hammer and anvil workings of the Vic trannie in a bottle of oil or modifying your shifting habits to compensate. V twin motors make noise and short of putting the mill in a soundproof room nothing is going to change that. Ride the beast, hear it's song. If it's too loud and you are fixated on eliminating it, that's easy. Buy something else.

These things that we mench about because they are different than what we are familiar with, they are not failings. They are characteristics. If the plastic melts or doesn't hold paint- fail. If the trannie spills geargutz all over the superslab when you bang 4th- fail. Otherwise, ride the snot out of it.

Because it behaves the way it does is not a fault. Because it behaves that way and we bought it and now can't put up with it behaving that way, that is our fault. Sell the thing, go back to what you are comfortable with... or enjoy the long list of things that Victory got right. I'm just saying, there was some compelling reason for going to a brand previously unconsidered. Has that reason evaporated?

I ride to forget about life for awhile. I don't ride to nitpick myself to death about what is wrong with this machine. But that's just Pop. Maybe unhappy riding has something going for it and I'm missing the point.
 

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Well sais Pop! First time I shifted my Vic into First gear I said there is something wrong with this tranny. (Bought it used with 2700 miles.) I was assured that was normal for the beast and it is. Only other gripe was it was too quiet so I added slip-ons from D&D and later S&S intake because I wanted too. But I got that advice from people on this forum. (The Vic Builder), Rylan gave me great advice about the S&S and what I could expect vs. a stage 1 download, much appreciated. As far as fit and finish Maybe I am not as fussy as some because I am happy. First and foremost I bought Victory because I wanted to buy American! I loved the look and I love the dependability. If I ever buy another bike I am 99% sure it will be a Victory. (My 15 year old has already claimed my Vegas when he is older.) POP, NO MATTER WHAT SOME PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS COMPLAIN. IT IS KNOWN AS HUMAN NATURE. Have to go now and put a smile on my face. Time to stop thinking and go for a ride. Have a Great Day.thumb up
 

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After about a year give or take lurking or posting here Pop has picked up a bunch of good info, ignored some silliness and come to a couple conclusions.

Vic is a victim of its own making. Regardless what riding background we hail from Victory has managed to attract an ownership base that pretty much covers all the bases.

Triumph and Beemwa can argue the same thing (and no, Honda and the others from that hemisphere can but it falls on deaf ears) but the fundamental dif is if you go Victory then you are buying a single platform machine. To paraphrase Henry Ford giving a tour of Spirit Lake, you can have any style you want as long as it's a heavyweight 106. So Vic has by design become a fairly homogenous brand that sells to riders of waay different concepts of what riding is and what a motorcycle is expected to provide.

Therein lies the rub. It is a given that Vics don't break so what's a griping human to do? Find a bitch and let it eat you up, that's what.

I don't typically need to know a Vic riders history to know his background when he complains.

Lack of comfort- rode Asian bikes
Too much plastic- rode American bikes
Transmission and/or engine noise- Asian and Euro
Controls- American
Buffeting- Asian
Fit and finish- American

The list goes on and I'm sure that there are exceptions to the rules but it's a common condition.

I guess the lesson learned for Pop is that if you come from an American riding sensibility, then do not approach the mediocre fit and finish with that American bolt on eye to curing it because the work to correct it is beyond the capability or level of commitment of most of us. Literally replacing plastic body components with custom fabbed metals is not in the cards. Practically, when you are in the buying mode, look at these items closely. Know thyself. There is a manufacturer that has sorted fit and finish and has plentiful options to improve and change it at your whim. It ain't Vic.

Asian riders are not going to find a solution to the hammer and anvil workings of the Vic trannie in a bottle of oil or modifying your shifting habits to compensate. V twin motors make noise and short of putting the mill in a soundproof room nothing is going to change that. Ride the beast, hear it's song. If it's too loud and you are fixated on eliminating it, that's easy. Buy something else.

These things that we mench about because they are different than what we are familiar with, they are not failings. They are characteristics. If the plastic melts or doesn't hold paint- fail. If the trannie spills geargutz all over the superslab when you bang 4th- fail. Otherwise, ride the snot out of it.

Because it behaves the way it does is not a fault. Because it behaves that way and we bought it and now can't put up with it behaving that way, that is our fault. Sell the thing, go back to what you are comfortable with... or enjoy the long list of things that Victory got right. I'm just saying, there was some compelling reason for going to a brand previously unconsidered. Has that reason evaporated?

I ride to forget about life for awhile. I don't ride to nitpick myself to death about what is wrong with this machine. But that's just Pop. Maybe unhappy riding has something going for it and I'm missing the point.
Always good to read a morning Popism.

But while agree with your conclusion, I have to take issue with a couple of points along the way.

1. Buffeting - Pop rides an XCT which has about the best wind management I've ever experienced on a motorcycle. Put Pop on my XR sans lowers and Laminar Lip and bet Pop has a different perspective as he experiences what it would be like to strap an unbalanced chainsaw to his head while trying to ride at highway speeds.

2. Comfort - To my ass, my XR is at least as comfortable as anything I've ever ridden and in general far more comfortable than most. The common complaint I hear is about tailbone discomfort. I had this issue on a Yamaha. I removed the cover from its seat, cut out the offending foam that was pressing against my tailbone and voila, it was an all day rider.

I can live with annoyances that I can fix, but therein lies the rub. For whatever reason, the aftermarket isn't too interested in providing solutions to our problems. Sure, there are plenty of places that will sell you chrome skull covers, but who the hell makes a nice aerodynamic shield for an XR? The Yamaha windscreen for my Warrior was a useless POS too, but Clearview had an exceptional bolt on windscreen that was small and effective. When I queried them about a similar product for the XR, they said they weren't interested in producing anything for it. Perhaps because it would look a little different and put off people who want "the look."

All this said, without a few niggles, what the hell us would we talk about? My liver can only tolerate so many nights of solving all the world's problems.
 

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Good post! Although there are things that people complain about in regards to their Victory, the main thing to remember is that it is a big air/oil cooled V-twin that makes noise. The transmission is noisy but has given me dependable service. Knowing the bikes' characteristics by reading this forum has eased my mind, and I now know what to expect. I love my XR!
 

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OK, that's deep.

My translation:

Ride more - worry less.

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Victory's don't break?!?!?!? :ltr:

When they do, finding someone to fix them? :ltr:

Great rider and reliability is the only issue, perhaps a differnt dealer. Any competent ones in NE Texas? Maybe Dallas, but speaking with them the one time wasn't confidence inspiring. Perhaps a bad day. Dunno.
 

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Two words sez it all to me...NICHE BIKE. Pop took the long way around the block to establish that fact. Victory dances to its own tune and I like the melody, that's why I bought in. I, for one, appreciate the differences in the appearance and the mechanicals. Then again, I have always gone down the road less traveled; in high school, friends drove Fords and Chevs--I had a Plymouth, then a Studie, then an Olds. Fads were very compelling in the 50s, but I managed to avoid each and every one. And now I have a motorcycle that stands out and away from the crowd so well that it draws attention away from those my friends ride. Fortunately I can handle the attention.:)
 

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forget about life for a while

I ride to forget about life for awhile. I don't ride to nitpick myself to death about what is wrong with this machine. But that's just Pop. Maybe unhappy riding has something going for it and I'm missing the point.
I have to agree 100% with this statement Pop. Now when are you coming back to NH? cheers
 

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Another thread complaining about people complaining. Gotta love it!
Another post complaining about threads complaining about people complaining. Pop might have to file a complaint.
 

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Anyone have experience using a car tire on a motorcycle?


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I have to agree 100% with this statement Pop. Now when are you coming back to NH? cheers
I miss the autoroad and I miss the Weirs. I miss the Kanc and the drags at Lee. I miss north of the notch and a fair chunk of midstate. I miss my grandkids. I miss the punkin chunkin in Greenfield, and I miss state legislators that can not profit from their positions. I really miss no taxes and I miss Live Free or Die. I miss my home on the side of Monadnock and I miss my camp up above Littleton by the Moore Dam. I miss going over to Jaffrey at the end of summer to watch Atlas blow off all their leftover fireworks. I sure miss the Old Man but I always will. I miss them cowpaths between Conway and Maine that nobody wants to pay the upkeep on so nobody uses. I miss being an hour from sea bass and an hour from big mountain skiing and an hour from Fanuel Hall. I miss presidential frontrunners asking my opinion in the Red Arrow in Milford. I miss a decent lobster and a real scallop in just about any eatery. I miss houses that are called modern style because the electrical is in the wall. I miss the Wilton theater on the second floor of town hall with them old red velour seats and you bring your empty tub back to the counter for a popcorn refill. I miss living in a state that has the most per capita motorcycles and acts that way. I miss living in a state that just takes for granted that a couple hundred thousand motorcyclists are coming for a month long cookout every summer. I miss having the kids dressing thanksgiving tom that I plug on my property and trimming the tree for Christmas that I tagged the summer before. I miss maple syrup. I miss the Hopkinton fair. I miss having so many ways to get home that I hardly have to take the same road twice. I miss having to stop for moose in Colebrook but I do not miss swatting the blackflies that zero in on me when I do. I miss Dunks.

I got a few more hills to climb over here in big sky country. I miss the Presidentials, the Whites and the Greens but I'm bound to miss the Rockies when we go home.
 

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Search darkside. May find stuff on your model even.

Now edited to say +1 justa_poser
 

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I miss the autoroad and I miss the Weirs. I miss the Kanc and the drags at Lee. I miss north of the notch and a fair chunk of midstate. I miss my grandkids. I miss the punkin chunkin in Greenfield, and I miss state legislators that can not profit from their positions. I really miss no taxes and I miss Live Free or Die. I miss my home on the side of Monadnock and I miss my camp up above Littleton by the Moore Dam. I miss going over to Jaffrey at the end of summer to watch Atlas blow off all their leftover fireworks. I sure miss the Old Man but I always will. I miss them cowpaths between Conway and Maine that nobody wants to pay the upkeep on so nobody uses. I miss being an hour from sea bass and an hour from big mountain skiing and an hour from Fanuel Hall. I miss presidential frontrunners asking my opinion in the Red Arrow in Milford. I miss a decent lobster and a real scallop in just about any eatery. I miss houses that are called modern style because the electrical is in the wall. I miss the Wilton theater on the second floor of town hall with them old red velour seats and you bring your empty tub back to the counter for a popcorn refill. I miss living in a state that has the most per capita motorcycles and acts that way. I miss living in a state that just takes for granted that a couple hundred thousand motorcyclists are coming for a month long cookout every summer. I miss having the kids dressing thanksgiving tom that I plug on my property and trimming the tree for Christmas that I tagged the summer before. I miss maple syrup. I miss the Hopkinton fair. I miss having so many ways to get home that I hardly have to take the same road twice. I miss having to stop for moose in Colebrook but I do not miss swatting the blackflies that zero in on me when I do. I miss Dunks.

I got a few more hills to climb over here in big sky country. I miss the Presidentials, the Whites and the Greens but I'm bound to miss the Rockies when we go home.
Pop, my mom and dad are elderly, and live in Center Conway... They been there for 25 years or more. I go up every other week , and cut their grass, change their oil , shovel their roof off, you get the point .I know of all you speak and I hope someday to retire to the same place. Live free or Die, Gotta love it. thumb up
 

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Good read Pop!

My version would be more like:
Some people aren't happy unless the have something to bitch about.

Thankfully nobody could be accused of unnecessary bitching in any of the 1000's of internet forums...
 

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I miss the autoroad and I miss the Weirs. I miss the Kanc and the drags at Lee. I miss north of the notch and a fair chunk of midstate. I miss my grandkids. I miss the punkin chunkin in Greenfield, and I miss state legislators that can not profit from their positions. I really miss no taxes and I miss Live Free or Die. I miss my home on the side of Monadnock and I miss my camp up above Littleton by the Moore Dam. I miss going over to Jaffrey at the end of summer to watch Atlas blow off all their leftover fireworks. I sure miss the Old Man but I always will. I miss them cowpaths between Conway and Maine that nobody wants to pay the upkeep on so nobody uses. I miss being an hour from sea bass and an hour from big mountain skiing and an hour from Fanuel Hall. I miss presidential frontrunners asking my opinion in the Red Arrow in Milford. I miss a decent lobster and a real scallop in just about any eatery. I miss houses that are called modern style because the electrical is in the wall. I miss the Wilton theater on the second floor of town hall with them old red velour seats and you bring your empty tub back to the counter for a popcorn refill. I miss living in a state that has the most per capita motorcycles and acts that way. I miss living in a state that just takes for granted that a couple hundred thousand motorcyclists are coming for a month long cookout every summer. I miss having the kids dressing thanksgiving tom that I plug on my property and trimming the tree for Christmas that I tagged the summer before. I miss maple syrup. I miss the Hopkinton fair. I miss having so many ways to get home that I hardly have to take the same road twice. I miss having to stop for moose in Colebrook but I do not miss swatting the blackflies that zero in on me when I do. I miss Dunks.

I got a few more hills to climb over here in big sky country. I miss the Presidentials, the Whites and the Greens but I'm bound to miss the Rockies when we go home.
Pop, I know most places you mention and yes, it is a beautiful state. I also live next to Monadnock and find myself in Jaffrey at Silver Ranch, now "Kimballs" for an ice cream. Enjoy your travels...cheers
 

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Pop ! I miss riding my Victory ! The weather here in south Florida has sucked for weeks. I know, I'm just bitchin but dam everything you said hits home.

I'm a grandpa of 6 and Honey n I have 5 great kids (adults) that we call home. They all live close and we wouldn't have it any other way. I'm called Pop Pop and honey gets called, well Honey! She loves it.
Good luck in your adventures you'll be home soon enough. Time just seems to fly like that. Keep posting your wisdom, and your humor. It's very much appreciated here in crappy weather south Florida.

From one Pop to another cheers
 
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