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Anyone use it? I was reading the latest edition of Baggers magazine and there was a short write up on the benefits of using it for additional motor protection and lubrication. They tested it on Victory Cross country and produced a whopping 1 HP and 3 ft lbs. The benefits claimed is reduced engine wear at start up, reduced operating temperature and extended engine life with continued use. All good benefits in my book. Only concern is clutch slippage. Thoughts?
 

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I once heard that the additive package in motor oil is a finely balanced recipe, like a cake recipe--if it calls for 2 eggs, 3 eggs aren't better. A good motor oil has all the ingredients it needs to serve the engine well. I am always suspicious of grandiose claims and I would avoid it. But that's just me.
 

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I do plan on sticking with Amsoil 10/40. Been a good oil for my victory. Products like Militec are similar to Z-MAX when it comes to plating the metal in your motor. In a Harley where the oil is not shared It may be ok to try. I'm real skeptical though about additives in a shared clutch/transmission/motor application like ours.

I'm always interested in lubrication. Anything to reduce friction in an air cooled motor in this climate is worth taking a look at. Problem is there are some areas that need friction to operate properly like our clutch.

just a thought. Trying to live up to my name.

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I have always wondered, how can an additive "plate" metal that is already coated with oil? Maybe someone who is into chemistry or a lube engineer can answer that for me.
 

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Ever since I read that in the baggers mag. it's peeked my curiosity. It appears as though Nick at Trask performance endorses it..sort of. It does say on militec website that it does have directions/recipe for common sump motorcycles along with some testimonials for guys using it in common sump bikes with good results. But I agree with most that scheduled oil changes coupled with good quality oil is more then sufficient.
 

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So how does that work out with a wet clutch. Is there some magic that keeps the oil from lubricating the clutch plates better? Maybe it is super attracted to bearings but ignores all other components. I have to wonder how much they were paid to endorse it for any bike, especially a wet clutch bike.
I will definitely not put that sh!t in my bike.
 

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I used militec on my M16 in Iraq it worked great. Lubed up bolt fired it never need to lube again. Put a lot of rounds out of that rifle with out any issues.
 

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well I threw caution to the wind and bought a 4oz bottle of militec-1. After doing much more research it seems to be..legit? So obviously the big question here, is the clutch going to slip? Well I haven't put it in yet but going to try it tomorrow after I get some baseline temps. I've got an infrared temp gun and I'm going to take readings all over the engine. I'm also planning on taking a sound byte pre and post. My guess is that I won't feel any difference but possibly a different sound. I'm also thinking about sending out a oil sample from my last oil change then send another after my next change (I only have 60 miles on this oil). Wish me luck on my snake oil:crzy:
 

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Let us know how it works out. Try a hard roll on in say third gear after the first couple of hundred miles and tell us if the clutch slips.
 

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Copy that!
 

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I became a fan of the Caroll Shelby endorsed V-MAX after my friend who is a Ford mechanic and transmission specialist said that the product does in fact work and work well. He noticed with the Z-Max a difference in engine performance all around. Starting, revving, cooler temps. Some how this product chemically finds its way into the porous of the metal and keeps it lubricated well after all the oil is drained back into the pan. I don't drive my Truck at times for up to 2 weeks. I have been using Z-max since 75k and now have 100k on the truck. After 25k and roughly 4 doses of the Z-Max I can say the motor is unbelievably smooth even when it starts after a long period of time sitting. I have driven Trucks like mine with way less mileage and the difference is noticeable.

So Mil-tech from what I understand is a similar product. Developed and used in the military for years. I would love it to work without doing clutch plate damage of course. So I guess all we can do is wait for more results.

Snake oil? Well Mr. Shelby used V-Max in his Super Snake Mustang so maybe that's a good name for it.
 

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Ok so I did some quick baseline temps and then the post install temps. For equal observation I rode the exact same route (approx. 25 miles) and took the temp readings with the bike turned off after the ride. Temp outside was 70F. Here are my recorded findings


PRE

HEAD (taken fwd side of spark plug) #1 242F #2 265F

Valve cover (left side) #1 215 #2 229

Valve cover (right side) #1 185 #2 200

Oil temp with Infrared temp gun 193

oil temp with (meat type thermometer) 208



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Head #1 225 #2 245

Valve cover (left) #1 185 #2 210

Valve cover (right) #1 175 #2 191

Oil temp with infrared temp gun 181

Oil temp with (meat type thermometer) 194


so my impressions after only 60 miles since install. slightly smoother shifting (not as harsh..clunks)
Quieter valve train I would say a solid 30% quieter

Now for the big question, was there any clutch slippage...drum roll please.......It didn't skip a beat. rode it hard. 3rd gear at 3000rpm at full throttle..nothing but smiles
 

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Ok so I did some quick baseline temps and then the post install temps. For equal observation I rode the exact same route (approx. 25 miles) and took the temp readings with the bike turned off after the ride. Temp outside was 70F. Here are my recorded findings


PRE

HEAD (taken fwd side of spark plug) #1 242F #2 265F

Valve cover (left side) #1 215 #2 229

Valve cover (right side) #1 185 #2 200

Oil temp with Infrared temp gun 193

oil temp with (meat type thermometer) 208



POST

Head #1 225 #2 245

Valve cover (left) #1 185 #2 210

Valve cover (right) #1 175 #2 191

Oil temp with infrared temp gun 181

Oil temp with (meat type thermometer) 194


so my impressions after only 60 miles since install. slightly smoother shifting (not as harsh..clunks)
Quieter valve train I would say a solid 30% quieter

Now for the big question, was there any clutch slippage...drum roll please.......It didn't skip a beat. rode it hard. 3rd gear at 3000rpm at full throttle..nothing but smiles
Interesting temp differences Beast. How's the bike doing now that you have had the product in there for a while. How many miles have you put on since adding the Militec1?
 

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Slick, unfortunately I've only got about 400 miles on it since putting it in, due to weather up north and work. But with that being said it's still running great.
 

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Slick, unfortunately I've only got about 400 miles on it since putting it in, due to weather up north and work. But with that being said it's still running great.
Yes .....I figured the weather would slow things up a little. Thanks for trying the product out and posting about it. I look forward to hearing about your results long term. I still cant get anyone to respond from Miltec in regards to clutch slippage in a shared trans bike. I wouldn't hesitate putting it in a Harley. Have you done any inquiring about it prior to putting in your motor?
 

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No I never did contact them directly but read a lot of testimonials on shared trans bikes.
 
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