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I'm pretty sure I wrote/commented on hitches and such elsewhere but I've just about finished getting her all ready for family travels.

I'm a firm follower and believer of Bushtec stuff. I had one of their early trailers back in the 90's that was a two tone silver painted to match my '82 Wing. I will say this...they got it right from the beginning. Very little has changed over the years as I compare the new (2012) trailer I have now with the 1st one back then.

This trailer was painted to match my '03 VTX 1800C. It seems Honda used the same orange for my wife's '12 Shadow too. It is quite the site seeing our matching two bikes, matching trailer, and personal garb going down the road as a family.

With getting my Ness, I was hoping the orange would be a good match. Not really but it's still orange. Not sure yet what I'll do but the options are:

1) I could do nothing. Leave everything alone.
2) sell the X and trailer (as a package?) then get a Bushtec Entourage trailer. Matches the lines of the Vision very well and I can get it painted to match the Ness, flames and all.
3) get the current trailer painted to match the Ness.

I can't decide much at this point but plan to ride for at least the start of the summer as is now.

The X and Bushtec
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The Ness and Bushtec
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And an Entourage and Vision (from the Bushtec site). Imagine the tear drop wheel wells in the same flame graphics as the Ness. Gotto be GEORGOUS!
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Now, a note. Nobody makes a hitch for the NESS Vision. I spoke at great length to Bushtec and now know why. The Ness is built and designed about 2" lower than other Visions. Because of this, if a rider follows the Vic Settings on the rear suspension, the hitch contacts the swing arm on the left side on compression.

If I keep the suspension maxed out It doesn't make contact. I haven't loaded the trailer with 2 up yet to check those conditions. Not to mention putting the trunk back on.

I can see where it contacts. I can also think of a way to design a bracket to keep this from happening, or modify the current one. I've sent photos and such to Bushtec to see if my thoughts are possible but nothing in return. Since they've designed this hitch it's entirely possible they've been through what I'm coming up with. Who knows.

I can fabricate. Plasma cutter and welder in hand. I just don't want to waste effort and money for nothing.

For all I know, keeping the rear maxed at 72 psi could be all I need. I just loose the ability of a level unloaded ride and the soft ride that can come with it.

Thoughts??
 

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I would keep the trailer you have now cause you know what it is and how to load it.
Paint the trailer
 

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I don't know if this will be clear but here's the contact point (same place, different angles)

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You can see where it's hitting the "z" bracket. That bracket doesn't hug the plastic liner of the saddle bag (which is above the horizontal part of the bracket).

They aren't 90 degree bends which I can only assume is for strength. If I could modify this so the horizontal part is parallel to the bag bottom, it would give me another 1.5" or so I think before the swing arm hits.

Still thinking this through.
 

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"They aren't 90 degree bends which I can only assume us for strength. If I could modify this so the horizontal part is parallel to the bag bottom, it would give me another 1.5" or so I think before the swing arm hits."



Good pics!
I'm thinking your right about modifying the bracket to give you the extra 1.5".
Then weld in a small triangle piece of metal (gusset) in the 90* angle.
 

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I think the gusset would get in the way.

That Z bar isn't straight bent either. Kinda twisted too. What I'm thinking to keep the existing lines is to weld the additional metal onto what's there. Then cut off the old.

An alternate to the gusset would be some small gauged steel tube in the corners. OR thick welds.
 

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Wow, that is a lot of work, You are going to have to remove the hitch to do the work. And while it is out look at the clearence with low or no air in the shock with a loaded bike. That will tell you how it will have to be modified. Look at how close it comes to the underside of the bag. What you have in mind may work, but you need to find out just how far the swing arm moves and how close it comes to the bottom of the trunk. I would hate to go to all that work and find out it still hits.

An idea is to go forward, drop down and come back. This may be more work and still not work. What ever you do I would remove the hitch and make a jig to mount the hitch to and make the changes. No way would I cut and weld with the hitch on the bike.

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Discussion Starter #8 (Edited)
I won't have to remove the hitch. Just the bracket in question. I might just remove the tire but don't think I'll have to. The top of it is held on by one bolt and the lower attached to the rest of the hitch.

I may get into this in a week or two. Big trip planned in June to the Grand Tetons and Yellowstone.

Did a test run yesterday as is. Took bike, trailer and 2-up (my 8 year old) on a Sam's Club run. With 72 psi in the rear, it was good. No contact.
 

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I normaly run my air pressure at 50#, to lazy to keep changing from solo 15#, to 2 up or 2 up and trailer with 50#. The ride is not bad at that pressure, but at 72#, must be rather stiff riding solo?

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No, it's not. Stiffer but not stiff enough to want to air it down. I could experiment and let some out in stages until I know it's too low but nah! It good. If I "fix" the bracket I'd never have to worry but right now it ok knowing the limitation.
 

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I failed to mention that on mine too. I just ground down the raised part of the arm a bit. Now no rubbing that bolt.
 

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I have GREAT NEWS!!!!! I was going to take off that bracket and modify it today. Before I did that I called Bushtec to order a different trailer and to chat a bit about what I sent them a month ago on that bracket (and what I thought would fix it).

It just so happens that the guy I talked to had my emails and pictures on his desk. They are, as I type this, making a new Z bracket that will indeed hug the inner bag liner just like I was going to do.

I will have it in a week or two, the new trailer in 3 weeks, then we hit the road for the Grand Tetons and Yellowstone in June. 10 days!!

Last week my wife rode with me on the Ness. Even with the suspension maxed out in pressure, my swing arm smacks the bracket. I definetly need to get that fixed!!

I will post up new pics and results when all done.

If this works, they will be the only hitch seller that makes a hitch that works on EVERY Vision! Woohoo!!
 

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Discussion Starter #16 (Edited)
Well, it's just me saying this (I'll let Bushtec make the final decision) but the hitch from Bushtec now works on NESS Visions now too.

They sent me a new bracket based on my recommendation. I removed the rear tire then had no problems swapping them out.

You can see the old and new.

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Then I put it back together. 1 hour start to finish. Weighed down the bike and tested it out on some good bumps.

On the bike, old:

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On the bike, new:

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I first tried it with 450lbs (I loaded it heavy simulated max planned weight with trailer) on it, at max air pressure (72lbs), nothing. Zero. No contact of any kind.

Then I dropped the pressure but didn't change the loaded weight (in other words, way low on air - like I forgot to add air). I was definitely sagging. Then hit my driveway curb/ramp head on, which IMO is the worse thing I would ever encounter. No contact with the hitch whatsoever. I did hit my crossover pipe on the curb but no hitch contact.

Then I had a thought. What if the air shock failed and had no air. Well, I simulated that too. Removed all air so it's riding on whatever stops it has and again, no bracket contact!! Talking about ass low!

There you go. Again, I'm very pleased to say that Bushtec is the 1st to make a hitch for the Ness Vision. Way to go guys!!
 

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I hope they send me one. Ill call in and check with them
Ross at 888-321-2516 ext 209 is who I've dealt with and sent me the new bracket that fixed this.
 

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well they may have redone the bends as mine is rubbing the swing arm

I've recommended to Bushtec that those two pieces that are held on by those bolts (one of which rubs that swing arm as you pictured) be welded together. I had to remove the Z bracket and the piece it's bolted to as a SINGLE piece in order to swap out the Z bracket anyway (can't get a wrench on the nuts when it's installed). Swap out the Z bracket, then put back in place as a SINGLE piece.

I don't remember well enough the entire hitch install process to know if that's a good idea or not. Those two pieces were loosely bolted together when I unpacked it from the box so why not just make them one piece right off the bat?

I mentioned that I just ground down that raised part of the swing arm to stop the rubbing. That for me worked. Because I wasn't able to fully compress the suspension with the original Z bracket, I wasn't sure if that was going to stop it when I was able to fully squish it. For added measure I ground down the head of the bolt maybe a 1/16 of an inch before I put it back in the bike. Don't know if it was needed or not but nothing rubs anywhere now.
 

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I re-welded the bracket that the z bar was bolted to and that fixed the issue. I think the bracket was welded on wrong. any way it is fixed now with no issue. They did send me the new z bar, but i had fixed it by the time it got in. I had a trip to Maine so I couldn't wait.
 
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