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East Lyme, CT -- One person died, one suffered serious injuries and two more were hurt early Sunday when a car struck two motorcycles at the on-ramp of Exit 72 -- the Rocky Neck connector -- on Interstate 95 southbound.
The driver of the Ford Escort, Christiana F. Morton-Lane, 23, of 64 Browns Lane, Old Lyme, was not injured but was charged with driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
State police from Troop E said the Ford Escort was traveling on the on-ramp shortly after 1 a.m. when it went off the left side of the ramp, passed over about 100 feet of wire rope railing and then back on to the ramp. At the bottom, police said, it crossed the grassy area between the ramp and the highway lanes and on to the highway, hitting a motorcycle with two riders which was traveling in the right lane.
Another motorcycle with two riders was also in the right lane directly behind the first. It struck the first motorcycle, and both of its riders were ejected.
Robert Burr, 35, of Clinton, operator of the first motorcycle, was pronounced dead at the scene and an unidentified passenger was taken to Hartford Hospital by Life Flight for serious life-threatening injuries, police said.
Dwaine Wilcox, 49, of Westbrook, driver of the second motorcycle, and an unidentified passenger were taken by ambulance to Lawrence & Memorial Hospital in New London with moderate physical injuries, according to police.
The accident remains under investigation by Troop E.

My condolences to the family and friends that lost their loved one and I sincerely hope the passenger makes it. What else can I say about this? Drinking and driving any motorized vehicle is not the right thing to do. What's done is done and it can't be undone. :(

Please look out for one another when they have had too much! Don't let them drive!
 

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That's sad. I just wish the law would crack down on the drunks. To me this is murder and should at least be a life sentance. When you're drunk there is no such thing as an "Accident" its intentional.
I agree. I truly hope neither you, me or anyone on the forum ever have to know the pain and loss of having a loved one killed by a drunk driver.
 

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That's sad. I just wish the law would crack down on the drunks.
I wish the law would crack down on poor driving. Whether someone is killed by a drunk, a sleeper, a texter, or just a plain lousy driver, they are just as dead.

Much better to focus on the bad driving than on what someone may have consumed IMO.
 

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I wish the law would crack down on poor driving. Whether someone is killed by a drunk, a sleeper, a texter, or just a plain lousy driver, they are just as dead.

Much better to focus on the bad driving than on what someone may have consumed IMO.
So if you're not skilled enough, you shouldn't be on the road (that means nobody ever starts driving/riding again, since we all start green). However, if you're skilled, you can go ahead and drink and drive/ride, no problem. Is that what you're suggesting?
 

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So if you're not skilled enough, you shouldn't be on the road (that means nobody ever starts driving/riding again, since we all start green). However, if you're skilled, you can go ahead and drink and drive/ride, no problem. Is that what you're suggesting?
I'm suggesting that poor drivers cause accidents. There are a bazillion people in this world who have driven home with a buzz responsibly. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but I'd far rather ride next to someone who had a few beers with dinner and is driving home cautiously to avoid detection than ride in the same county with someone whose falling asleep or some idiot teenager who's more interested in texting her boyfriend than noticing I'm stopped in front of her.
 

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I'm suggesting that poor drivers cause accidents. There are a bazillion people in this world who have driven home with a buzz responsibly. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but I'd far rather ride next to someone who had a few beers with dinner and is driving home cautiously to avoid detection than ride in the same county with someone whose falling asleep or some idiot teenager who's more interested in texting her boyfriend than noticing I'm stopped in front of her.
You never lost anyone dear to a drunk driver. If you ever do, you will change your mind in a heartbeat. Drinking and driving (or riding) is a choice you make to gamble with your life and the lives of those around you.

Not being skilled enough is how we're all born.
 

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I'm suggesting that poor drivers cause accidents. There are a bazillion people in this world who have driven home with a buzz responsibly. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but I'd far rather ride next to someone who had a few beers with dinner and is driving home cautiously to avoid detection than ride in the same county with someone whose falling asleep or some idiot teenager who's more interested in texting her boyfriend than noticing I'm stopped in front of her.

Your statement in regards to driving responsibly when buzzed is too irrational to debate. :crzy: I'll just wholeheartedly disagree with it.
 

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Your statement in regards to driving responsibly when buzzed is too irrational to debate. :crzy: I'll just wholeheartedly disagree with it.
There is no need to debate it. Go out to your local bar/restaurant and notice the number of people who are drinking and go home. Now multiply that by a few million bar/restaurants around the country. If it was as irrational as you say, all of them would have wrecked and killed millions of people every night.

But think about it, what is so rational about getting killed by someone simply not paying attention?

I was driving home the other day behind some moron girl playing with her text transmitter. Every light she would be engrossed and I'd lay on the horn when the light turned green to wake her up. She looked around stupefied, but went right back to it light after light. I'm sure glad I was behind her...
 

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There is no need to debate it. Go out to your local bar/restaurant and notice the number of people who are drinking and go home. Now multiply that by a few million bar/restaurants around the country. If it was as irrational as you say, all of them would have wrecked and killed millions of people every night.

But think about it, what is so rational about getting killed by someone simply not paying attention?

I was driving home the other day behind some moron girl playing with her text transmitter. Every light she would be engrossed and I'd lay on the horn when the light turned green to wake her up. She looked around stupefied, but went right back to it light after light. I'm sure glad I was behind her...
Consequences of texting and driving are not harsh enough. Same for drunk driving. That's why so many are doing it, because they'll get a ticket, shrug it off, and get back to it. And by the way, you don't have to kill someone everyday for it to be an issue. One time is one too many.
 

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You never lost anyone dear to a drunk driver. If you ever do, you will change your mind in a heartbeat.
Look, I never said I was in favor of drunks. If they are driving poorly, get them off the road. I just want them to get all the other goofs off the road too.

There was just an article about how the number of deaths do to DUI were way down, but the number of deaths from distracted driving were skyrocketing.

It doesn't have to be an either or thing. With all the cameras around today, it shouldn't be too hard to pick out the people driving poorly and have ample evidence to back it up in court. The reason for the poor driving is simply less interesting to me than to others. I'm only interested in solving problems. Bothering people who are driving fine isn't helping anyone besides the govies who get to rake in their money.

Drinking and driving (or riding) is a choice you make to gamble with your life and the lives of those around you.
Driving or riding sober is a gamble. Granted, your odds for wrecking increase with inebriation, but the do for fatigue and distraction too. Why make a distinction?

Not being skilled enough is how we're all born.
I'm not asking a sixteen year old to try and chase Tony Stewart around in a road race. If they've been through driver's ed, they should be able to handle a car well enough to get it from point A to point B if they are sober, awake, and paying attention to what they are doing. If they aren't able to handle their vehicle without weaving, signaling, blowing stop lights etc. then they shouldn't be on the road. Their excuse is simply irrelevant to me.
 

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There is no need to debate it. Go out to your local bar/restaurant and notice the number of people who are drinking and go home. Now multiply that by a few million bar/restaurants around the country. If it was as irrational as you say, all of them would have wrecked and killed millions of people every night.

But think about it, what is so rational about getting killed by someone simply not paying attention?

I was driving home the other day behind some moron girl playing with her text transmitter. Every light she would be engrossed and I'd lay on the horn when the light turned green to wake her up. She looked around stupefied, but went right back to it light after light. I'm sure glad I was behind her...

I don't need too. There's a Gin Mill just down the road from me and there's plenty of *ucked up driver's going past my house early in the morning. So far, their "Death Machines" haven't killed me or any of my neighbors...Let's give them a freaking medal.

LE can enforce DUI by various methods: check points, sitting on bars/clubs, patrols etc. and there are State and Federal dollars for this enforcement. It's working, but one death is still too many when individual drivers consume too much and then think they are much better drivers. Give me a *ucking break! :mad:

LE cannot enforce the few laws on the books for these hand held devices, nor the one's that are now built into our vehicles, the same way they can with DUI. It will take a very radical change (forced) to prohibit the use of these devices by drivers.

I've had a few close deals so far this year with those distracted driver (Hand held) types as well, but you and I are in the SAME boat with both problem driver's..don't think we're not. The buzzed driver will make you or someone close to you dead, just like the distracted one will.

Be careful out there. cheers
 

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That's sad. I just wish the law would crack down on the drunks. To me this is murder and should at least be a life sentance. When you're drunk there is no such thing as an "Accident" its intentional.
I completely agree............no such thing as accidently drinking and driving! And, the drunk is always the one that survives, and the innocent are always the ones that pay the ultimate price.........makes me screaming mad!!!!!!
 

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I completely agree............no such thing as accidently drinking and driving! And, the drunk is always the one that survives, and the innocent are always the ones that pay the ultimate price.........makes me screaming mad!!!!!!

I don't know, isn't hurting or killing an innocent person bad, regardless of how or why? I see SB's point, it's the same one we make to demonstrate how pointless assault weapons and high cap magazine bans are. A killer is a killer, the method doesn't matter and is irrelevant. Millions of people own assault weapons and high cap magazines legally, and harm no one. Millions of people drive with a mild buzz weekly, and harm no one. I want the same punishment for anyone who rams their car into my bike, whether drunk or sober.
 

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We have a convicted drunk driver in our family. My brother in law killed 2 people. He fought his best friend who tried to take the cars keys jumped in his truck and a few blocks away killed a grandfather and grandmother on the way to their weekly dinner with their kids. He fractured his leg. He only got 6 years. Level 3 times legal limit. 6 years was way too short. He was expecting 16. Judge felt him attending AA was a very positive step. Total BS he should have gotten the 16
 

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Well, the guy who hit me and subsequently changed my life/quality of life (I'm still laid up since Aug 1 for those who don't know) walked away with under 500$ in fines, which includes the uninsured fine. If I accidentally SHOT someone I'd be in jail. There are way more traffic related deaths than gun related, so why aren't there stricter penalties for auto accidents. The mere fact that that fucking cager walked away Scott free is a slap in the face to anyone who rides OR drives. Maybe off topic but that's how I feel. As far as DDing.... felony.... that simple.
 

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She's 23? Hopefully she gets some serious jail time. I am a cager victim although she was sober and still drove like an idiot. It seems as long as there are cars, there will be idiots who drive them when they shouldn't, sober or otherwise. I dunno what the solution is. Some countries execute people who drive drunk. I feel horrible for the riders.
 

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Well, the guy who hit me and subsequently changed my life/quality of life (I'm still laid up since Aug 1 for those who don't know) walked away with under 500$ in fines, which includes the uninsured fine. If I accidentally SHOT someone I'd be in jail. There are way more traffic related deaths than gun related, so why aren't there stricter penalties for auto accidents. The mere fact that that fucking cager walked away Scott free is a slap in the face to anyone who rides OR drives. Maybe off topic but that's how I feel. As far as DDing.... felony.... that simple.
in Canada, unlike the United States, every Province has the same federal laws on the books, called the Criminal,Code of Canada. it covers all criminal offenses. Impaired driving is the "bestnwaynto kill someone in Canada because the time behind bars is ridiculously low. example, a guy in Calgary was driving his Cement mixer, drunk and hit a Dodge Intrepid that was stopped at a red light. The Dodge had 5 occupants, two adults and three little kids. He never hit the brakes and hit them at 60 mph. The first thing he did after his rig stopped some 500 metres down the road was jump out of the cab, run to the back, climb to the hopper opening and toss his 26 oz bottle of vodka into it. Reprehensible. He killed all 5 and got 5 years. He was out on parole after serving just over a year. So Imfeel,your frustration re the penalties meted out for impaired driving.
 

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one can always debate the drinking issue and get no further down the road, we all just have to be on the defensive every moment we are on our bikes and hope we make it home for another day. RedRocker might have something about his 1am statement, I prefer to not be on my bike during that time.
 
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