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I realize that all you "deep thinking", Fox News haters probably don't have a clue about this, but, like Benghazi before the election, or the Jonathan Gruber, obama-care expose testimony, that the obama-loving, dishonest liberal mass media, that you love so much, failed to cover...that's your own damn fault.

In ANOTHER attack on American's second amendment rights, the Constitution hating, king-wanna-be, obama, is considering how to...once again...circumvent congress, and to use the Department of "Justice"..yeah, I know..."justice"...THAT'S pretty funny these last six years...and the ATFE, to OUTLAW ammunition that is used in the AR-15 sporting rifle.

The AR-15, and variants of it, is the most popular, best selling, sporting rifle in America.

obama has tried to get an all out ban on ALL "assault rifles"...yeah, I know..."assault rifle"..that's another totally false, totally made up liberal democrat fantasy description...kind of like "gay marriage", "the war on women", "obama-care 'lowering' medical costs $2500 dollars per family", etc...of ANY rifle with certain "scary" features...such as hand grips, muzzle flash "hiders", detachable magazines, etc...the list can, and does, change based on just which crazy, freedom stealing, liberal democrat is drawing up their latest attack on the second amendment.

There are many people...even some on this forum...that claim obama has NOT attacked American's second amendment rights, or tried to get, or actually gotten, guns banned...those false statements are not worth the time and effort to type out replies to.

They claim they are "all for second amendment rights"...bull ****. These people are liberal democrats...or guilt ridden, obama voting, "independents" now...that are actually very low information people that continue to accept the American mullah's lies about everything he has done, or is trying to do...to "fundamentally transform America"...in other words, destroy it.

Basically, it boils down to this...IF you are truly FOR being governed by the Constitution...that sacred document to all REAL Americans, drawn up and signed by all those "old, white, overwhelmingly Christian, European men"...with not ONE gun hating muslim, Kenyan, or community organizer in the bunch...then you simply can NOT vote for any liberal democrat...EVER!...the two concepts are mutually exclusive...period.

There is NO room anymore for that tired old cliche..."agree to disagree"...it doesn't work...liberal democrats are too dishonest, and, as proven by Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and "Bo Jangles" obama himself, they ALWAYS cheat...and the foolish people that trust them...like the RINOs John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and others...and Real Americans...always lose.

Republicans do NOT attack the second amendment, and even those that are "squishy" about gun rights positions, will see it hurt their campaigns on the national level, ala Mitt Romney, unfortunately...conservatives do NOT attack the second amendment.

Democrats CONSTANTLY attack the second amendment...liberals CONSTANTLY attack the second amendment. Those that deny that fact are either very naive, liberal ideologs, ignorant of the facts, or totally dishonest...very likely some combination of all four.

Can you see a pattern there?...even the low information, Fox News hating "deep thinkers" that claim "there's no difference" between the parties? While they both certainly lie, cheat, and steal...there IS a major difference in them....MAJOR!

For those people that actually DO believe in the Constitution, and the second amendment, I would ask you...are you a member of the NRA?...and/or the GOA (Gun Owners of America)?...if not, WHY NOT?

These two groups are the hardest fighting, most persistent, non stop opponents of the sorry likes of liberal democrat gun grabbing oppressors and tyrant wanna-be's, such as the Clintons, Feinsteins, Schumers, Pelosi's, etc...and of course, that lying, Kenyan born, goat herding, dog eating muslim, king-wanna-be. ..obama.

For those that don't know it, President John F. Kennedy was a LIFETIME MEMBER of the NRA, and an avid shooter. He was a strong supporter of the second amendment...and THAT is just another reason why he would NOT be accepted under the so called "big tent" of the modern day "liberal" democrat party...now-a-days it's only "my way or the highway" with this bunch...just ask Joe Lieberman.

If you DO want to stop the latest...among the many, and constant...obama attacks on OUR American second amendment rights to keep and bear arms to...

as those "old, white, overwhelmingly Christian, European men", that obama and ALL liberals hate so much...you know, THE FOUNDING FATHERS!...wrote so proudly and defiantly about...

use for "squirrels and such", and, more importantly, as they proudly proclaimed and WARNED, "to keep and have at the ready", to protect ourselves from tyrants and foreign born oppressors...such as obama...then immediately...TODAY!... CALL and EMAIL your congressmen, AND senators...even if you have worthless, low life, Constitution hating, lying liberal democrats "representing" you, as I do here in Michigan, in the form of the obama butt kissing, rubber-stamping senators, Debbie Stabenow, and the newly elected, liberal democrat, obama peg boy, Gary Peters.

Let your "representatives" know that YOU do NOT want another freedom stealing, anti Constitutional, tyrannical, obama "executive order" to be used to steal YOUR rights...again.

This fight never ends...EVER!

obama, and his dishonest, freedom hating liberal democrats are like the Arnold Schwarzenegger character, in the movie, "The Terminator", as described in this quote by his nemesis, "Kyle",...

"Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely WILL NOT STOP, EVER!...until you are dead"...

In the movie, "Arnold" was after "Sarah Connor"...the lying, America hating, obama and his liberal democrat supporters are after YOUR freedoms...guaranteed by the Constitution...and they WILL NOT STOP until YOUR Constitutional rights are "dead"...and the one they absolutely, positively, HATE the most...their very own "Sarah Connor"...IS the Second Amendment!

Do NOT compromise here...or simply "hope for the best"...as we've seen over and over again, the liberal democrats...especially the freedom hating muslim, obama...never do!

Stand up...speak out...stay strong...CALL and EMAIL TODAY!

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Lowflight, Obama, democrats, liberals, progressives, et al FEAR the likes of us. Fear causes irrational behaviors. Their fear makes them want to quell us. They have to disguise their fear by parading it as something for the nation's benefit and in order to accomplish that, they need to lie, manipulate, and demonize. There are myriad examples of those ploys all around us and the banning of 5.56 ammo is only one. Obamacare, immigration, wealth distribution, hidden taxes and climate change are but a few of the others. Note that those are all about liberals attempting to getting their way by subjugating us. Being a resident of Oregon and in my Right mind, I and others like me are the target of the left majority. So I know well of what you speak. Be afraid, be very afraid.
 

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...and of course, that lying, Kenyan born, goat herding, dog eating muslim, king-wanna-be. ..obama.
You forgot : Narcissistic , America Hating , Illegal immigrant loving , white people hating , God forsaking , Pot smoking , Dick sucking son of a bitch ... There's also more but I don't have the time right now .:mad:
 

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Too much talking smack.. Your message is being watered down by the incessant claptrap, hate and country fracturing bile..

So, what are the facts here? Obama wants to make bullets that feed an AR-15 illegal... Post a link that supports that. That would be a good start.

First, The AR-15 is not a "sporting rifle"

By design it's an anti-personal rifle. And it should be legal under the second amendment.. For self defense purposes, and to help a population protect itself from tyranny.

Can't read too much of your stuff, it makes me want to punch my cat in the face... But..

"Stand up...speak out...stay strong...CALL and EMAIL TODAY!"

Yes.. If you are a firm believer in your right to bear arms, definitely, spend a few minutes out of your day to get proactive..

Just a few minutes out of one day in your life to contact a DEMOCRAT Representative in government to write an email and voice your opinion (SANELY) that you are against any and all unilateral efforts to ban firearms or ammunition.

Republicans are in the bag..

You DON'T need to contact Republicans to convince them you are against this type of thing..

You pretend to be a Democrat voter and you (SANELY) contact a Democrat Representative. To demand that they push hard against any unilateral action taken by The President or the party for this particular type of regulation..

Tie your vote to your request.

The bile, the bullshit, never works..

You have to play their game..

The only way ANY party member in ANY PARTY will vote against a "something" is if they believe that they will lose power for engaging in voting FOR that "something".

If you are serious about this crap, then get serious, because Everything else gets lost in the noise. thumb up
 

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Mark , good answer , but my Hatred for this man knows no bounds . I cant stand the sight , or sound of this man , and nothing will ever change it ... You want to blame someone for "Fracturing" our Country , start with the piece of **** POTUS .cheers
 

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Can't read too much of your stuff, it makes me want to punch my cat in the face... But..




Cat probably deserves it..:ltr:
 

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Mark-B, I have been doing that here in Oregon--feigning to be one of them. There are such bills to ban certain ammo in our Capitol's hopper. There are also bills to tax and eliminate petrol based fuels and its very hard to convince those legislators who are for it that they are not considering the unintended consequences when they are like religious zealots believing such things are evil and must be destroyed.
 

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Mark , good answer , but my Hatred for this man knows no bounds . I cant stand the sight , or sound of this man , and nothing will ever change it ... You want to blame someone for "Fracturing" our Country , start with the piece of **** POTUS .cheers
If you hate that man, if you hate those people, then you lose in quality of life because of it.. You have given them that power over YOUR Life which they don't deserve..

You also become ineffective at this thing that get's railed about so often here.

Up to you.. You can win if you like... Just gotta do things smarter is all.. Because, in politics, It's not about policies anymore, it's about how the message is being delivered.

If you want to rant and rave and rail and throw up incessant noise it destroys your ability to present a rational argument. It makes any argument you could possibly make, seem unbalanced before you even get to present that argument.

How can people take somebody seriously if they engage in this type of rhetoric?

I can't.. Personally, I can't listen to it.. I can't read much of it.. It's what politicians say and do for cheap votes and I can't stand it.. I want to hurt people just for listening to it and/or for reading it...

So I don't..

And I'm not unusual.. You are losing people like me - who, for the large part agrees with your ideals and policies - you are losing people like me because people like me just can't get past the way the message is delivered..

Give me the facts. Give me a course of action to help your/my cause... A link to a politician I can contact for example.. That kind of thing.. Let me decide what to do..

But the message is SO Important, and you guys are screwing that up.. You just are, you are doing yourselves and your party a disservice..

Look at the differences between parties and their message..

Republicans will tell it how it is..

Democrats.. will tell it how you would want it to be..

Neither party is afraid to exaggerate to get the people (more importantly their votes) to back their cause and put them in power.

Look at the message..

Under Conservative Rule, People usually go in with low expectations and get treated to Much More than they hoped for..

Under Democrat Rule, People usually go in with HIGH expectations and get treated to much less than they hoped for..

It's in the message..

If you pass yourself off as just a bunch of people who "just hate", you are limiting your base to those who hate Just as much..

I don't hate.. Not the people.. I don't have the energy for it.

Yes, It pisses me off when I see those entrusted to deliver the news, exaggerate or sow fear for TV ratings.. It pisses me off when I see a politician who engages in base forms of getting a vote, like scaring up a vote or making promises they simply can't or have no plan on keeping (for example).

I sometimes hate the message, and I feel lost for the amount of people in this country who are so easily led by fear or empty promises..

But I don't hate the people.. Because, in politics and political news, there are plenty of those of that type who engage in this type of crap on all sides of the fence..

As for all this "End of the World" Type Hysteria on ALL Sides..

The Constitution protects us from the VAST majority of all that people get hysterical about in politics.. That's what it's there for..

So if we drop the hateful, spiteful, country fracturing, bile ridden rhetoric.. When you make it about policies you win.. hands down you win..

Everything else is just noise.. it gets in the way of the ideal or policies.. It drowns it out.. It weakens your message, so it weakens your position.

It's up to you if you want to win or not... If you do.. Gotta get smarter with how you deliver the message, because your policies ain't bad.. BUT they are being drowned out by the way the message is being delivered.

Just a personal observation of mine, you understand :D .. cheers .. thumb up
 

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obama's sarah connor

Well, I'm glad I checked back here before I had to leave.

Mark, you tell Mags "you're losing me"...so...are you saying you didn't vote for obama?...or that, because of what Mags might say it would make a difference in whether or not you vote for Hillary or not?...smells bad, Mark...

Now, since you addressed MY post specifically, he's my reply..

Too much talking smack.. Your message is being watered down by the incessant claptrap, hate and country fracturing bile..
Excuse me...do you, somehow, think I give a **** about your opinion?

So, what are the facts here? Obama wants to make bullets that feed an AR-15 illegal... Post a link that supports that. That would be a good start.

First, The AR-15 is not a "sporting rifle"
You know, Mark...you're a lot like obama...the dog eater. You admit you don't know the facts...remember WHY the arrogant obama had the "Rose Garden Beer Party"?...then you pompously tell me to "post a link"...well, here's a link for you...

...http://www.buzzfeed.com/eliot/100-ways-to-say-****-you-26q...

Then you wrongly misstate what an AR-15 is defined as. In fact the AR-15 IS classified as a "sporting rifle".

Clearly, you don't know what you're talking about...if you want to "verify" that, do a Goggle search yourself...I don't check in here to gather information for you, but until then, why don't you "talk less" ...that rattle you're probably hearing isn't a can of spray paint.

Can't read too much of your stuff, it makes me want to punch my cat in the face... But..
Yeah...I know just how you feel...only replace the cat with some lying, liberal democrat...any lying, liberal democrat.

Just a few minutes out of one day in your life to contact a DEMOCRAT Representative in government to write an email and voice your opinion (SANELY) that you are against any and all unilateral efforts to ban firearms or ammunition.

Republicans are in the bag..

You DON'T need to contact Republicans to convince them you are against this type of thing..

You pretend to be a Democrat voter and you (SANELY) contact a Democrat Representative. To demand that they push hard against any unilateral action taken by The President or the party for this particular type of regulation..

Tie your vote to your request.
I'm sorry...did I mistakenly sign up for one of your "political phone calls, emails, and letter writing" classes?...Thanks, but I've been doing it on my own for decades...kind of got my own "style" now...but I appreciate your advice. thumb up

The bile, the bullshit, never works..
LOL...you'd be surprised!...Maybe YOU should take one of MY classes...you'll find it depends on the "representative"...if that arrogant, egotistical, goat herder had ever run into someone like me before he stole his way into the White House, he'd have some humility now...which is something he is sorely lacking at this point in his life.

You have to play their game..

The only way ANY party member in ANY PARTY will vote against a "something" is if they believe that they will lose power for engaging in voting FOR that "something".
Since your advice appears to be sincere, I will say "thank you"...then I will add...where does such arrogance come from in you liberal democrats, that you would presume, wrongly, that I would write to a congressman/senator, in the same, informal/casual way I would post on a "biker" forum? For example, when writing to a senator I might say that they might have misunderstood my request...whereas, when replying to your arrogant post, I'd be more likely to say "are you fucking crazy, or what"...see the "subtle differences?...good.

So...here's a nice fat glazed doughnut...go roll it down the nearest hill and take a flying...well...you know..one of "those".

If you are serious about this crap, then get serious, because Everything else gets lost in the noise. thumb up
I've very serious...and I don't consider ANYTHING to do with an attack on the Constitution by some lying, socialist, America hating muslim, as "crap".

If YOU don't like what I write, then you are certainly free to "pass"...but, before you go I want you to know that I get a nice warm feeling knowing you've enjoyed me expressing my thoughts about your favorite African/African president. thumb up

Jeez, Mark...you're not "teaching class" here...bet obama was just like that.

Adios for today.
 

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LOL!! :ltr:

The reason why so many people are deterred from ever getting involved in politics is due to this US! or THEM! and all the vile, fractious, spiteful, nonsensical bile and hate..

Now.. Re-read your post and tell me why more people aren't paying attention to your cause.. You can't be bewildered at this point, can you?

Not that you were asking, but I ain't a believer anymore.. You are going to have to win my type over on policies and REAL solutions to solve REAL issues, not try to convince me that there will be 5000 years of darkness if I ever vote for that other gang of traitorous, rat bastards..

So, make a point or not; this forum is open to opinion, We heard yours.. So posting that drivel was asking for mine..

You want to give me my opinion.. ??? :ltr: ..Sorry dude.. Not that cheap a-date..

My opinion is - if you have something on your mind, share it..

But we already know that Democrats are Evil Traitors.. We ALREADY Know that Democrats are Communist, Marxist, Socialist Dictators.. We Already Know That Democrats are Unethical, Hate-filled, Pathological liars and Cheats - who - all of 'em - need to be lobotomized..

And.. Y'know.. :) ..Who wouldn't cast your cause a vote JUST because of that? :confused: .. :rolleyes:

Would be nice to hear you make a point on policy once in while though, without forever repeating all that in every - single - paragraph..

'Cause we already know all of this.. You have been very good in repeating that over the last 15 years. And now, because of it, ALL Conservatives have been painted as believers of such insanity .. Thanks for that thumb up

Just sayin' ;) .. :)

So.. Lowflight.. What's your plan for the Country? What's your Ultimate Vision for this Great Nation?
 

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Just a shout out to my friends living in blue states who are red blooded American conservatives; I feel for ya man. It's hard enough living in a red state as a conservative during these dark times with an American hating muslim at the helm but to do so surrounded by what I would call simply as the enemy in a more enlightened time, oh, about 240 years ago when the Sons of Liberty came together to fight this same kind of onslaught against a similar enemy.

Back then they were called the British King and his red coats. Now they are the dims/libs/progs/marxist/stalinists/sociailists/alinsky followers with communism thrown in for good measure. Oops. Almost left out liars, thieves, and back stabbers but that is a given of course.
 

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If you hate that man, if you hate those people, then you lose in quality of life because of it.. You have given them that power over YOUR Life which they don't deserve..
It's how they've been brainwashed. Obama could press the damn AR-15 shells himself and hand them out at elementary schools and then they'd decry that he was a "liberal, Marxist this and that" for not handing them out at Kindergartens. They require therapy behind what sane people on the internet can provide.

I have serious doubts about any of this ammunition banning business, but there is a reason people (like Ronald Reagan) are/were against them and it has nothing to do with looking scary. If you've ever heard a doctor who has had to treat someone shot with one of these things you'd have a better understanding of the issue. When they strike a person they are designed to tumble and rip the innards of a person all to hell. If they strike bone, the limb has to be amputated because there is no way to repair the bone. If it hits organs it is like putting a tomato in a blender.

Now some would say the point of shooting someone is to kill them. Then again, those same people have probably never had a loved who was assaulted by one either.

The point is, because of their ability to do mass amounts of damage, they are a form of WMD. We all have varying lines of where we consider the gov't responsible to step in and prohibit such things. For instance, I'm guessing Mags would probably object to his Middle Eastern neighbors cooking up Anthrax on the front porch while his kids were out playing.

This is not to say that the AR15 is the right or wrong place to place the line, but that placing a line doesn't imply anti-second amendment or anti-American or anything else. It simply means that's where they feel the line should be drawn.

Conversely, those who would deny or threaten a fellow American's right to free speech or freedom of political thought are those truly acting in an unAmerican fashion. If one believes that guns are required to defend against tyrannical govt, they should be the last people on earth to raise them against the will of the people as executed by their democratically elected officials.
 

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I tell ya.. Youse guys are more fun than a Barrel Full of Monkeys when it comes to defining the enemy.. :ltr:

As you know by now, I can get pissy and pretty assholish when it comes to those who will generalize in such a negative fashion about a couple hundred million mostly decent Americans. But.. Since it's always you guys standing up to be counted on this forum.. It's only fair to point out that - in the right forum - the left isn't much better..

When I was going through my them and us and .. Y'know .. fk them!! ?? "stage" ..I once signed up to the Huffington Post to air some views..

HOLY COW Those guys make You Guys look like a bunch of cupcakes when it comes to defending their points of view.. One giant, left leaning circle-jerk.. You can't explain to that lot - even sensibly - that they are perhaps - MAYBE, wrong about a thing either.. It's like you slung a hamper-full of cats in a tumble dryer, when you even try..

:crzy:

Kinda sad really.. We will (that includes you) never - ever - live in a country where we won't be faced with this party line insanity.. So it's no wonder we can't move forward as a country anymore, when it comes to this two options, them or us, black or white party line BS... Everybody thinks they're right, nobody thinks they're wrong, nobody takes responsibility when they screw up, and nobody learns from their mistakes..

That's why I jumped ship.. Screw the lot of youse guys ...I figure, I'll just let you guys slug it out :D .. cheers ...In all honesty, I just ran out of energy defending a party-line position I knew was sometimes very wrong and when I did that, I saw that the only people who seem to win for all this hate, at the end of the day, are the Politicians, those who pay for them to get elected, a handful of TV and Radio Personalities and the stations which air their idiotin' views..

Those are the ONLY entities in this WHOLE Country which all this hate and disharmony benefits. It ain't you.. It ain't me, and it ain't what many think of as "them.."

Don't get me wrong.. There is an enemy out there, and it IS them and us.. But, these days, I define "them" slightly differently..

So.. Don't take much of what I write too personally boys.. If it was just for burgers and BS I have no doubt we would all get along to a riotous degree.. But, Like I said right from the outset, I do hold some liberal views, which is why you'll see me get pissy from time-to-time when some dick pens a thousand words labeling me, personally, an evil traitor for holding a few of 'em. ;) .. :ltr:

All Politickin' aside.. Enjoy your day guys..

Bastads! ..Weather sure is sucky up here in these Arizona Mountains today.. :mad:
 

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When I was going through my them and us and .. Y'know .. fk them!! ?? "stage" ..I once signed up to the Huffington Post to air some views..
:ltr: They kicked me out , and took down all my posts !!!:ltr: Guess they didn't like what I had to say ....:ltr:
 

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Two things: Mark, an AR-15 is a sporting rifle based off a M-16. Don't get the two confused (I own both).

And two...I NEVER think about politics while I'm riding. You fucks need winter to be over! ;)


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Mark, you're a beacon of intelligence in a sea of muck and mire.
 

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..Obama could press the damn AR-15 shells himself and hand them out at elementary schools and then they'd decry that he was a "liberal, Marxist this and that" for not handing them out at Kindergartens.
Would never happen, but if he did, That's true.. :ltr:

I have serious doubts about any of this ammunition banning business..
Would like to see a link that says this is in the pipes myself.. I would be strongly against it, if it were true though..

..but there is a reason people (like Ronald Reagan) are/were against them and it has nothing to do with looking scary. If you've ever heard a doctor who has had to treat someone shot with one of these things you'd have a better understanding of the issue. When they strike a person they are designed to tumble and rip the innards of a person all to hell. If they strike bone, the limb has to be amputated because there is no way to repair the bone. If it hits organs it is like putting a tomato in a blender.
Shooting people is a messy business, so are the effects of people making pipe-bombs out of stuff that is available in any neighborhood store.. If people want to do harm to one, or even a group of people, an AR-15 and a bandolier of banana clips isn't required to get it done..

Some people are unhinged, they are going to inflict that kind of insanity on society. Banning one single tool for inflicting that insanity isn't a realistic way of handling a situation..

Because where does it stop? You can do people in with a sharp pencil.. You can take out a whole compound of religious lunatics with spiked punch..

It isn't the gun, or ammunition.. It's the psychos you worry about.

Now some would say the point of shooting someone is to kill them. Then again, those same people have probably never had a loved who was assaulted by one either.
I honestly think a lot of people have this strange idea that shooting a person is no big deal.. I think a lot of people secretly want to be in a position where they can use a gun on another person.. Violence has become such a common thing in today's society, that unless it happens to a person, many don't seem to have a concept of the consequences of inflicting such devastating violence on another..

I call those people psychos too.. Again.. You worry about the lunatic, not the farmer wielding a scythe.

the point is, because of their ability to do mass amounts of damage, they are a form of WMD. We all have varying lines of where we consider the gov't responsible to step in and prohibit such things. For instance, I'm guessing Mags would probably object to his Middle Eastern neighbors cooking up Anthrax on the front porch while his kids were out playing.

This is not to say that the AR15 is the right or wrong place to place the line, but that placing a line doesn't imply anti-second amendment or anti-American or anything else. It simply means that's where they feel the line should be drawn.
Again, it comes down to interpretation of the Constitution to where we SHOULD draw lines.. Most people will never use an AR-15 outside of a shooting range, it's a sign of protection from erosion of freedom for many though, as in many countries you are not allowed to own such a weapon..

Conversely, those who would deny or threaten a fellow American's right to free speech or freedom of political thought are those truly acting in an unAmerican fashion.

Damn Straight!


That's where I take a hard turn away from the rest of these fruitcakes :)D).. I don't have to agree with a person, and somebody who doesn't align themselves ideologically or politically with what I believe doesn't make them the enemy..

If I can't talk sense to you guys, I'll just see you assholes at the polls :ltr: :D

If one believes that guns are required to defend against tyrannical govt, they should be the last people on earth to raise them against the will of the people as executed by their democratically elected officials.
Well.. yes.. And.. No.. You mentioned brainwashing earlier.. so.. Yes in that These types of weapons are ineffective to fight against a tyrannical government in the hands of a few.. As even local government has access to military weapons, tanks, armored cars, 50Cal. Machine guns etc..

Yes in that, Believing that A person with A gun is somehow gonna stand up to "the government" .. :crzy: .. I think that would be pretty messy, and I don't suggest any try, no matter how much they may disagree with, or are told to hate a thing.

No, in that I do Strongly believe however that an armed population makes it pretty-much impossible for any government to turn OUR Country into ...??? an ?? Iran, say .. And I think That is the intent behind the right to bear arms.. A person is defenseless against an armed and aggressive TRULY non-representative government..

An Armed Society however... Prevents outright tyranny.. thumb up

Also, Crooks and Psychos of all descriptions have access to these weapons, regulation or no.. Cops jump into action Only After you have been horribly killed by some psycho.. So, I also believe that people have the right to defend themselves using whatever they see fit.. a gun is a gun.. like you say.. the effects of them are always gonna be messy..

Realistically then?.. Since we have the Right to bear arms, why draw a line when it comes to firearms at all?
 
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