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Trying to get a consensus...

Of the dozen or so bikes I've owned the recommended "brand" oil (especially HD) has been WAY overpriced. Of course Victory has it's own synthetic 20/40 blend and I'm wondering has anyone found a less expensive alternative. I'm guessing any quality synthetic/dino blend of the proper weight would work, but I don't want to have trouble with clutch slippage, etc.
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Oil is a risky discussion; from my personal experiance all I can suggest is reading up in the oil and lube section of the forum. You should be able to find everything you need to know.
 

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Thanks I tried the search function but came up empty. Totally missed the oil and lube section.
FYI already found an alternative with a JASO MA 2 rating. Castrol ACT-Evo Xtra-4. Looks like exceeds standards at half the price.
 

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I ain't saying anybody oughta try this - just reporting what I recently did and how it's working O.K?
I have been wanting to try some 20-50 syn. blend oil for some time now. Reason being is that the 1st few miles of a ride it shifts much better than later when it gets hot and the oil thins out some. Thinking maybe a little heavier oil might help.
Anyway, I was at the dealership and was gonna p/u 5 qts of the 20-40 to change the oil. Parts man was on the phone so I was just looking around until he finished his call. They are a Suzuki dealer as well and low and behold, on the Suzuki display was some Suzuki oil - 20-50 syn blend. It was $4.55 a qt. (less than $4 after my discount)! So I buy 5 qts & make the change. Took a 150 mile ride and it put every other oil I've tried, regardless of price, syn and blends, to shame. Only got around 500 miles on it so I can't say how long it'll hold up but I'm tickled to death with it at this time.
As forementioned, I'm not recommending anyone try it 'cause frankly I don't give a hoot what anyone else uses, or doesn't use. Justing relaying what I've found.
 

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I went ahead and ordered the 5 qts of Castrol ACT-Evo Xtra-4 online for around $37 inc shipping. I'll get the filter from NAPA now all I need is that little crush gasket. I may have ot get that from the dealer. Hopefully it's not $10.
 

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You don't need to change the crush gasket every time. Only if it leaks. You can "refresh" it with a propane torch or other heat source. It's easy to change the gasket if it leaks when the motor is cold by unscrewing the plug, putting your finger over the hole, put the gasket on the plug and reinstall. Very little, if any, oil lost.

I've been using a blend of Rotella dino and Rotella synth but next time, since I have a good source for them, I'm going with Valvoline dino (3 qts) and Valvoline synth (2 qts) 20/40 4 stroke motorcycle oil. At walmart the dino is $3.88 and the synth is about $9 at Autozone. Cost is about half of what Victory sells. I use the Walmart Super Tech filter.

This list of filters is from another forum.




Some numbers for you. This list comes from other sites, but all that I have tried have fit...

These Oil Filters have 20 x 1.5mm threads, 14 psi by-pass valve, anti-drain back valve, 2.3" O.D. gasket 2.5" to 3.5" long. If you have the room, the longer filters are recommended.

Motorcycle Filters.
•AC Delco PF2135
•AMSOil SMF103
•Carquest 85358
•AC Delco PF2135
•FRAM PH6017A
•Honda 15410-MCJ-000
•K&N KN-204. Metric nut on end for easy removal.
•NAPA Gold 1358
•Purolator ML16817. Imported, not made by Purolator.
•STP SMO 17
•WIX 51358

Recommended filters.
All have superior filtering.

About 2.5 inches long.
•Purolator Pure One PL14612.
•Mobil M1-108. Made by Champion.
•Bosch 3300. Made by Champion.
•Wal-Mart SuperTech ST6607. Made by Champion.

About 3.25 inches long.
•Purolator Pure One PL14610.
•Mobil 1 M1-110. Made by Champion.
•Bosch 3323. Made By Champion.
•WalMart SuperTech ST7317. Made by Champion.

Automobile Filters, about 2.5 inches long.
•AC Delco PF1237
•Baldwin B1400
•Firestone TF2876
•Hastings LF113
•NAPA Gold 1365
•Purolator L14612
•STP S-02876
•WalMart SuperTech ST6607
•WIX 51365

Automobile Filters, about 3.25 inches long.
•AC Delco PF-2057
•Auto Pro 2356
•Autopride CF240AP
•Baldwin B1402
•Carquest 85356
•Carquest Red B4620
•Casite CF240
•Castrol 7317
•Champion Labs Ph2867
•Defense Filters Dl7317
•Deutsch D-370
•Federated Filters LF240F

Automobile Filters, about 3.25 inches long.
•Fram Double Guard DG7317
•Fram PH7317
•Fram Tough Guard TG7317
•Fram Xtra Guard XG7317
•Group 7 V4610
•Group 7 V4620
•Hastings LF240
•Mighty M4612
•Motorcraft Long Life FL-821
•Napa FIL1356
•Napa Gold 1356
•Parts Plus PH2867
•Pennzoil PZ-109
•Penske 7317
•Powerflo SL14610
•Powerflo SL14620
•Pro Gauge PGO-4620
•Pro Tec 164
•Promotive PH4610
•Pronto PO3593A
•Purolator L14610
•Service Champ OF-4622
•Shell SH48
•Shell SH529
•STP S-02867.
•Valvoline VO50
•Warner PH2867
•Wix 51356
 

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If OIL is the blood of the motorcycle why would you use cheap oil.
If there was cheap blood for human's would you take out your good blood :confused:
 

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:I agree: With Johnny but the most important thing about oil that you can check with your fingers is --That its slippery.:ltr::ltr:cheersthumb up
 

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Picked up a Pure one filter for $6 at pep boys. It's coated with some grip stuff that makes it easier to screw on. From everything I've read its a quality filter. I use them on my Shelby.I'll probably pick up an aftermarket magnetic plug with a real bolt on the end. Those hex plugs don't give me a lot of confidence
 

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If OIL is the blood of the motorcycle why would you use cheap oil.
If there was cheap blood for human's would you take out your good blood :confused:
But how do you determine what's good?

I see ad's on TV all the time but don't believe most of them.
 

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Until victory comes up with a bulletin saying that "victory oil is no longer good for your engine so start using anything you want and mix it anyway you want" I'll be using the victory oil. And so what if it cost extra 15 bucks for it. The day I can't afford 15 bucks will be the day I'll be selling my bucks for 20 bucks. :D
 

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Until victory comes up with a bulletin saying that "victory oil is no longer good for your engine so start using anything you want and mix it anyway you want" I'll be using the victory oil. And so what if it cost extra 15 bucks for it. The day I can't afford 15 bucks will be the day I'll be selling my bucks for 20 bucks. :D
No offense to you personally VV but the "can't afford it if you ride a $20k bike" line has never held any water in my opinion.

For the same reason I can not embrace Apple computers with its proprietary parts; I can not embrace a proprietary oil because the manufacture of the bike says it's the only oil to use.

Just something fundamentally wrong with that scenario to me and I don't like being taken advantage of like that.

Now, if Victory disclosed exactly what and why their oil is so special compared to brand X, I might be swayed. As it is; nah.
 

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No offense to you personally VV but the "can't afford it if you ride a $20k bike" line has never held any water in my opinion.

For the same reason I can not embrace Apple computers with its proprietary parts; I can not embrace a proprietary oil because the manufacture of the bike says it's the only oil to use.

Just something fundamentally wrong with that scenario to me and I don't like being taken advantage of like that.

Now, if Victory disclosed exactly what and why their oil is so special compared to brand X, I might be swayed. As it is; nah.
Lol, none taken BBob. I just wanted to come in to the thread and throw some fuel on the fire. :D
It just amazes me that after all the endless oil threads first new "which oil should I use" thread still gets pages and pages of replies.
 

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Blame me...newbie mistake! I do agree with Bob, as I went through the same thing with my Shelbys. Ford absolutley recommends Motorcaft oil, but tons of oil analysis have confirmed that at best Motorcraft is middle of the road.

The owners manual does recommend Victory oil, but leaves the door open "or an equivalent oil designed to to be used with wet clutches with JASO MA rating" etc. I say if you can save a few bucks and get equal or better oil, go for it. The dealers are crooks whether it be bikes, cars or roller skates.
 

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Blame me...newbie mistake! I do agree with Bob, as I went through the same thing with my Shelbys. Ford absolutley recommends Motorcaft oil, but tons of oil analysis have confirmed that at best Motorcraft is middle of the road.

The owners manual does recommend Victory oil, but leaves the door open "or an equivalent oil designed to to be used with wet clutches with JASO MA rating" etc. I say if you can save a few bucks and get equal or better oil, go for it. The dealers are crooks whether it be bikes, cars or roller skates.
The dealers are crooks whether it be bikes, cars or roller skates.

I am impressed with your one size fits all idea. That is about as accurate as all customers are azz holes who want something for nothing. I am sure your dealer is glad to see you (when you leave):ltr:
 

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The dealers are crooks whether it be bikes, cars or roller skates.

I am impressed with your one size fits all idea. That is about as accurate as all customers are azz holes who want something for nothing. I am sure your dealer is glad to see you (when you leave):ltr:
I was referring to the prices of parts, specifically oil. Did you not read the first part of my post? You took a sentence out of context. Sorry, maybe I should have clarified for you...
 

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I was referring to the prices of parts, specifically oil. Did you not read the first part of my post? You took a sentence out of context. Sorry, maybe I should have clarified for you...
No, I read the entire post. How do you take out of context that dealers are crooks? You just lumped everyone that is a dealer as a crook. I haven't met any crook vic dealers yet. As a matter of fact most retailers I deal with treat me just like I treat them. I expect them to charge enough to make a profit so they can be there to service my vic when I need it. Is their oil more money that a similar oil you can buy at Walmart? Hell yes. They don't have the buying power of a walmart, but that doesn't mean they need to sell their product below a profit line that will keep them in business. Dealers are owned by people just like the people on this forum. Most are honest and want to treat their customers like they would like to be treated. I just get kind of tired of hearing some call them Stealers not dealers, and crooks. I think Kexinx is part of a dealer so according to your post he must be a crook. I am in the retail business and have been for over 40 years. I do the best I can to treat all of my customers fairly. All of them I like to see at my door. 99% coming in and 1% leaving. I hope most on this forum are in the 99 and not the 1 :)cheers
 

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Ok, I see I hit a nerve here. I was speaking figuratively, not literally. 1000 pardons. Once again, I was making a reference to the huge difference in price from dealer branded merchandise as compared to others. My point was that you can buy equal or better quality and not have to pay what amounts to a blackmail premium. I prefer to do a little research, and make an informed decision rather than blindly follow what the manufacturer recommends, which is profit driven because of their relationship with the particular company. That's why I started this thread. As usual, if someone gets offended, things go off topic and haywire. That certainly was not my intent. BTW I bought a magnetic oil plug online. I hope my engine doesn't grenade because it doesn't say Victory on it :)
 

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My dealer recommends Amsoil 'cause he makes more money on it than Victory oil. I know 'cause he told methumb up. And guess why he's in business to start with:rolleyes:
 

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I for one will stick with the Vic oil. 20/40 is not common in other motorcycle oils and vics formula is designed to absorb heat and keep our motors running as they designed. My Vic mechanic has over 100k on his vision with vic oil. Good enough for me. Besides you can buy Vic oil on line if you shop and save alittle money.

In regards to my Dealer. He's the only one I have local and I like him and his operation. I will do all I can to participate in his existance including buying his expensive oil. If the motor fails, I dont want a Vic mechanic blaming it on the oil. I have learned over the years that when you find a home in a service buisness and treat them with respect and show them that you are greatfull that they are there they will bend over backwards to make sure you are taken care of. If you have a good dealer in your area help to support him. Ya never know when your gonna need him cheers
 
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