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Anyone know what is going on with this.
Read a little on the internet news but that's all.

Were the original ranchers burning and it got away from them?
 

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Oh man, where to start. The Hammons got nailed for what the gov't has done so many times. To simplify, they were doing a controlled burn and it went over into BLM land. Not very much, but if you burn one square inch, you violated the law. Never mind that BLM controlled burns have burned major portions of towns and killed people. That happened just this last summer.
Why does government need to own any land? All they do is mismanage it. Slightly more that half of Oregon is gov't owned land and much of it has been designated wilderness, the worst thing that can happen to forest land for many reasons. I ask tree huggers to name just one thing that's good about wilderness areas and they can't come up with even one.
I know I digressed, but I hope I helped.
 

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Oh man, where to start. The Hammons got nailed for what the gov't has done so many times. To simplify, they were doing a controlled burn and it went over into BLM land. Not very much, but if you burn one square inch, you violated the law. Never mind that BLM controlled burns have burned major portions of towns and killed people. That happened just this last summer.
Why does government need to own any land? All they do is mismanage it. Slightly more that half of Oregon is gov't owned land and much of it has been designated wilderness, the worst thing that can happen to forest land for many reasons. I ask tree huggers to name just one thing that's good about wilderness areas and they can't come up with even one.
I know I digressed, but I hope I helped.
I thought I read they were tried under terrorism laws? Maybe I got that wrong....
 

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I thought I read they were tried under terrorism laws? Maybe I got that wrong....
You are correct with that. And many are shaking their collective heads over that. That's part of what the Bundy Bunch is about and I look at them as modern day Minute Men as they and their type will be the first at Concord Bridge to fire the first shots of our next revolution.
 

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Oh cripes, they're bumbling fools. Didn't even bring food with them. They're pleading for people to send them snacks. Chew on your bullets goofballs. Haha. Did you see the video of all the dildoes people sent them? Hilarious!!!
 

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Oh cripes, they're bumbling fools. Didn't even bring food with them. They're pleading for people to send them snacks. Chew on your bullets goofballs. Haha. Did you see the video of all the dildoes people sent them? Hilarious!!!
I am not approving of what those occupiers are doing, I'm just saying those are the types who will be at forefront of our next revolution.
 

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And there is a Safeway 8 miles down the road.
 

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And there is a Safeway 8 miles down the road.
Sounds exactly the our revolutionary army.


Many of Washington's army starved to death at Valley Forge during the winter. Valley forge was the bread basket of America at that time the richest agricultural place in the colonies. Washington purposely wintered his troops at the " Safeway" of the day. There was no shortage of food there.

The problem was two fold. First the "revolution" wasn't that popular with a lot of folks. Most people don't want a war in their back yard.
Secondly the revolutionaries were paying with "script" for food and the British were paying with gold.

The script would only be redeemable if they actually won the war which was really unthinkable because no one could look into the future and see that the King of France would come and rescue the revolutionaries with a "real" Navy and Army . Who would have thought that, what were the chances?

As a result the local farmers hid their stores from the revolutionaries and then smuggled them to the British so they could get more than a something to wipe their butts with in exchange for a years hard work.

In their defense Washington and the revolution did have a plan but it failed at the first point and they pretty much winged it from there. They were well into winging it by the time they were at Valley forge.

That we are a separate country can be attributed to England's foreign policy mirroring our present one. They finally ran out of credit. (can't see that coming) Then one of their enemies stepped in at the right moment a began the process that would take the British completely out of the game in the next century.


That, or God ordained it, or a little of both. I have no idea.

If they are 8 miles from Safeway and starving they do have a lot in common with the the minute men and the Army of the Revolution :smile
How ironic.
Lets hope they don't starve to death for the sake of their families.
What they are doing is not likely to succeed of course but neither did the first few revolts on American soil.

But with these ranchers, I wonder why they were tried under terrorism laws. Up where we are people who have pine trees on their grazing lands have to burn. It's also what the Dept of Agriculture recommends. Burning mixed forest and grass lands produces ash which changes the PH of the soil from acidic to more neutral so grasses will grow on it. Also if cows ingest pine needles when grazing they will abort their calves. Sort of a morning after pill for cows.
When you limb up the trees and burn your just taking good care of the land not committing an act of terror. WTF The usual treatment in WA is that if your fire goes on to government land you pay the bill for putting it out. Your not tried for terrorism.

No wonder they have a revolt on their hands.
 

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That was good Joe, you should have been a history teacher, maybe they'd still be teaching it instead of the "social studies" crap they push on the kids now. History can be fun as well as interesting, if taught by those who make it such.
Ma Nature burned to improve the land. The native Indians burned to improve the lands. The BLM burns to improve the land. Ranchers burn to improve the land and are called terrorists...WTF?
 

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The rest of the story

Ran across this:

Full Story About What?s Going on In Oregon ? ?Militia? Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution? | The Last Refuge


It's the rest of the story about the Hammond Ranch.
Got to love it.
It's a little different than the story on the news. Funny how that happens.

If anyone here remembers the two stories told about Randy Weaver and the stand off between his family and the ATF at Ruby Ridge in 1992 it will ring a bell. I'd suggest that the non media version is probably much closer to the truth than what is on the news presently.

Then, the news media version of the Weaver incident described Him as a well armed White Supremacist in a Bunker purpose built for taking on the government. Similar to the guy down in Waco.

The standoff ended badly for his family when the government snipers purposely murdered his wife in front of the children and family to end the stand off.

Later the NRA's "American Rifleman" magazine did an article on the actual facts and events, complete with detailed photos of the property and his"bunker".
Really out of character for the NRA at that time. Up till then they had been quite silent when the government took the machine gun collectors license and assault weapons away. I think this is when they finally woke up. I digress though.

The bunker was a tiny unfinished plywood shack in the woods. One room with a loft for the kids. Built small enough to heat with one small wood stove in the sometimes brutal mountain winters in northern Idaho. He was finishing it as he scraped together the money in an area with no work. He was a substance gardener and hunter with 3 or 4 kids one in diapers. Money was scarce he was getting work when he could.
In the end that he won the lawsuit he filed against the federal government for the wrongful death of his wife and was found innocent of the all charges was telling. The money didn't bring his wife or son back though.

Here we go again.
 

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The Conservative Treehouse dot com checks out as well above board. As an Oregonian in his Right mind, I'm finding things to be getting way out of hand in these parts. We have a Dem (aka union) controlled legislature made up mostly of big city metrosexuals--my own Rep is man(?) married to a man fer crissakes. Our education(?) system is at the bottom of the barrel, yet our teachers pay is near the top. We are a tax hell and the public employees union wants to raise business taxes even higher in order to pay teachers more. Aaargh!
 

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the "conservative" treehouse not slanted? Come on man. And what is wrong with unions? they are less than 20% of the workforce these days. They are dragging us down? Teachers are over paid, Really? I guess you don't know any. So i guess you would rather be like Arizona where kids just don't get educated and the governor steals millions, scratch that, billions from education. We wonder why the US is lagging. CEO's and politicians pit us against each other while they line their pockets. Just like the burger flipper only deserves $5 an hour. And the paramedic barely makes 15. Please! If wages kept up with inflation the minimum wage would be at $20 and hour.
 

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What's wrong with unions? In Oregon, everything is wrong with unions. They have financed Dem candidates to the point where no Republican need apply and that goes for state and local as well. So we now have governments that are slaves to their union masters and come up with Draconian anti gun laws, handouts for slackers, unproductive liberal policies and (worst of all) a public employees retirement plan that is over $13 billion underfunded and growing fast. We are a deepwater port city and our longshore union conducted a work slowdown over who gets to plug in a refrigerator and scared off over 90% of the shippers that called here. And would you believe it; even though they are not working, they are still getting paid over $30/hr! That should please you.
Apparently you missed the part where I said our teachers are paid among the highest in the country, yet HS grad rates have us at the bottom.
 

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What's wrong with unions? In Oregon, everything is wrong with unions. They have financed Dem candidates to the point where no Republican need apply and that goes for state and local as well. So we now have governments that are slaves to their union masters and come up with Draconian anti gun laws, handouts for slackers, unproductive liberal policies and (worst of all) a public employees retirement plan that is over $13 billion underfunded and growing fast. We are a deepwater port city and our longshore union conducted a work slowdown over who gets to plug in a refrigerator and scared off over 90% of the shippers that called here. And would you believe it; even though they are not working, they are still getting paid over $30/hr! That should please you.
Apparently you missed the part where I said our teachers are paid among the highest in the country, yet HS grad rates have us at the bottom.
Just did a google search on the "plug in refrig" comment if you want the truth read here.

What the heck is going on at the Port of Portland: A beginner's guide to longshore, Hanjin, more | OregonLive.com
 

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And to the idiots that are in the government owed building, burn um out.


If it was a group of Muslims hold a pray service you would say that.
 

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And to the idiots that are in the government owed building, burn um out.


If it was a group of Muslims hold a pray service you would say that.
HUH??? Apparently English isn't your first language.
 

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